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   georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 11:58:37 JST georgia
   I'm a monist but I'm not a mayavada because I believe the world is neither real nor unreal and that it doesnt matter and that real and unreal are human constructs without bearing on any divine thing
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 11:59:49 JST georgia

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     in that regard I'm influenced more strongly by shakta monist thought than by advaita vedanta (which says world is unreal) or kashmir shaivism (which says world is le real)
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:10:48 JST djsumdog

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     What is "real" in these contexts? I'm not familiar with those belief systems. Is a simulation theory world not-real? What if the simulation wasn't inside a machine, but our universe was on a giant's table-top .. like Sea Monkeys? Even if we're in a machine of some kind, wouldn't we still be .. "real"?
     
     I guess it's all in how you define the material world.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:11:59 JST georgia

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     @djsumdog it means something else it concerns whether the world is maya or whether the world is real because its God and God is real
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:16:01 JST djsumdog

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     huh ... looking back, I like your original statement, how it doesn't really matter if the world is real or unreal.
     
     If the world is God, do you subscribe to the metaphor that God is like a sea and all life/world/reality are droplets in the ocean of god?
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:17:28 JST georgia

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     @djsumdog I like the droplet ocean metaphor because the droplet and the ocean are both water and one merges into the other. same with the ether trapped in a jar. (ghatakasha)
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     djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:23:45 JST djsumdog

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     Interesting. I never though about it working both ways: the ocean vs the jar.
     
     It makes me think about the Plato's Cave allegory and how it's literally impossible to tell if you're inside or outside the cave. (Say someone finds a mystical cave that's full of wonder, and tries to convince everyone true meaning lies inside the cave ... honestly could be a gooner metaphor :blobfoxinnocent: :blobcatgrimacing:)
     
     Do you think there is a "chief end of man?" .. or ultimate purpose? Or that it's up to each individual to determine if there's a purpose and what that is?
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:25:31 JST georgia

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     @djsumdog I believe the summum bonum is yoga (unity with God through the path of meditation, action, or knowledge)
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:26:33 JST iced depresso

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     @djsumdog @georgia the droplet people are trying to explain in words concepts that no words exist for. it's like trying to explain how engrams of memory work.
     
     engrams are literally co-activation patterns that exist solely as the relationship of one marker to all other markets at the same moment. there is no good explanation for it because every component of the thing is relative to every other component of the thing and you can only experience the thing happening but you can never really see it. you are just seeing a simulated approximation of the thing, distilled in to a chart.
     
     its an inexpressible concept, basically. in both cases.
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     georgia (georgia@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:27:12 JST georgia

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     @lizzie @djsumdog one of the magi?
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     Lizzie (lizzie@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:27:14 JST Lizzie

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     @georgia @djsumdog :neoChudBalthasar:

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     Lizzie (lizzie@brain.worm.pink)'s status on Thursday, 02-Apr-2026 12:30:17 JST Lizzie

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     @georgia yeahhhh id say the world apart from God would not be real. it has no realness of itself

     but that also kinda doesnt make sense to talk about bc it isnt apart from God

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