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   Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:15:54 JST Artemis

   Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

   Try not to have powerful people that you defend reflexively without even thinking.

   That's abuse culture.

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     Alper Çuğun-Gscheidel (alper@rls.social)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:15:46 JST Alper Çuğun-Gscheidel

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     @artemis Chomsky hasn’t been needed for decades. Chomsky was a convenient bozo detector for anybody in progressive circles ever since Srebrenica.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:15:47 JST Artemis

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     And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

     Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

     Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

     I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:15:48 JST Artemis

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     Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:15:50 JST Artemis

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     Some people are absolutely refusing to understand the abuse culture that the Epstein files are pulling back the curtain on.

     Epstein's "friends" were all accomplices. Stop making excuses. I don't need to establish whether Chomsky physically harmed a child himself to state with confidence that he was complicit as fuck.

     If Chomsky is 1/3 as smart as some people think he is, then he understood just fine what was going on.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:15:51 JST Artemis

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     Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:15:52 JST Artemis

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     Weird that you would give a man in that situation "the benefit of the doubt", honestly.

     The man knew about the sexual abuse, didn't think it should be exposed, & palled around with these folks in settings where this abuse was happening. Whether or not he physically touched one of Epstein's victims, he participated in their abuse.

     I don't care what good ideas you think Chomsky has had. He's a piece of shit & a traitor to humanity

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:15:53 JST Artemis

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     "Noam Chomsky didn't abuse any girls".

     Um, my friend, how can you possibly confidently state that like you know that for sure? Especially when Chomsky has now been exposed as having a lot of correspondence with Epstein, mentioned how excited he was for "the Caribbean island", & told Epstein he was sorry that he was having "Me Too" problems & commiserated about how terrible it is to have women speaking up about abuse. To name a couple things.

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     Rich Felker (dalias@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 04:18:26 JST Rich Felker

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     @artemis Every single person in the Epstein email archive who wasn't just sending something legally/clerically/whatever necessary to send, any kind of personal correspondence of any form, belongs under a guillotine. No question about it.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:04:16 JST Artemis

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     Yep. I'm not playing games with people about "oh, he was only friendly with Epstein because..."

     No, fuck that shit. It's more than just a child sex-trafficking ring even, as fucking damning as that is. It's participation in a class of people who believe in (and practice) their "right" to abuse & oppress with total impunity, a class of people who murder people not one by one, not even in the dozens. They deal in murder on the level of millions. There are no fucking "good guys" here.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:13:17 JST Artemis

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     If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

     I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

     We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:14:13 JST Artemis

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     You don't owe your loyalty to someone just because they happened to be useful in the evolution of your thinking. You can be glad you found something of use & move the fuck on.

     As previously stated, plenty of marginalized folks (Black, indigenous, queer, disabled, etc.) have more to offer to you, especially if you bring it all together.

     Even there though, don't fucking idolize people. There is no amount of "good" someone can do that should shield them from accountability for their own actions.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:14:14 JST Artemis

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     If you learned something from Chomsky at some point, if he turned you onto a truth you didn't know, that doesn't get erased: YOU learned something.

     But look, it was fucking RON PAUL who convinced me widespread abuse by police in this country actually exists, & I ain't looking to Ron Paul to tell me how to think, even if he happened to be the catalyst that helped change my opinion for the better one time.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:14:16 JST Artemis

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     So yeah, frankly, if you think "we" need Chomsky, then you & I are not part of the same "we".

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:14:17 JST Artemis

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     If you want to have your mind expanded, want to come to new & different ways of organizing the world to end violence & oppression, you should go somewhere other than old white dudes with a vested interest in the existing system.

     Honestly, we shouldn't put aside the abusive, predatory people he cozied up to, but aside from that Chomsky invested heavily with Epstein. The world's premiere leftist thinker has enough capital to "invest heavily". Dude ain't who he says he is.

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     Artemis (artemis@dice.camp)'s status on Wednesday, 18-Feb-2026 05:14:18 JST Artemis

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