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   Tuta (tutanota@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:42:16 JST Tuta

   • Murena - choose freedom!
   • Fairphone
   • Volla

   Ready to #deGoogle 💯 per cent?

   We've reviewed the top five smartphones that help you go Google-free in 2026.

   @volla
   @Fairphone
   @murena
   #SHIFTphone
   #Punkt

   Which one is your favorite?

   ➡️ https://tuta.com/blog/degoogled-phones

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     Mike Rockwell (mike@libertynode.net)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:40 JST Mike Rockwell

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     • giorgiopasqualini

     @giorgiopasqualini @GrapheneOS @Tutanota lol.

     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this.
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     giorgiopasqualini (giorgiopasqualini@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:43 JST giorgiopasqualini

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     • GrapheneOS

     @GrapheneOS @Tutanota @PaintedDurian what you call surveillance, I call legitimate right for a state to grant security to all citizens. We live in a democracy and in order for a government to actually spy on chats, a judge should intervene or whatever. There can be different levels of access. Just, it's what someone responsible for granting everyone security would want. Privacy comes after security.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:44 JST GrapheneOS

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     • giorgiopasqualini

     @giorgiopasqualini @Tutanota @PaintedDurian Murena builds in a bunch of big tech services with privileged access, sends them sensitive data from your device and fails to provide even the standard Android privacy patches/protections needed to protect privacy from apps. They're definitely not doing a reasonable job at protecting user privacy from corporations.

     Not clear why you would trust governments which wants mass surveillance to respect your privacy but that's a much separate issue...

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:45 JST GrapheneOS

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     • giorgiopasqualini

     @giorgiopasqualini @Tutanota @PaintedDurian Murena's products are far worse for privacy and security than iPhones. They're massively rolling those back, not improving them. Their products are outright unsafe and not fit for purpose. It's not compromise but rather scamming people. Murena provides far less stability and app compatibility than GrapheneOS. They're not more aimed at regular people than GrapheneOS. Doing things properly especially with privacy and security as a focus takes more time.

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     giorgiopasqualini (giorgiopasqualini@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:45 JST giorgiopasqualini

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     • GrapheneOS

     @GrapheneOS @Tutanota @PaintedDurian it also depends on what you want to defend yourself from. I dont give a sht about being defended by the EU government because I trust it. I care about being defended by big techs because I dont trust them and Murena does a good job in that sense

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     giorgiopasqualini (giorgiopasqualini@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:46 JST giorgiopasqualini

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     @GrapheneOS @Tutanota @PaintedDurian

     Do you realize that it is the government that makes the policy, not you?

     Increasingly authoritarian where? Not Europe.

     I value European Digital sovereignty over Privacy or Security. Even though I mainly use Open Source apps.

     It definitely looks like you are fighting a fight of your own and will remain a super niche OS for privacy and security geeks.

     Murena is trying to reach the widest user base and to do so u have to do some compromise.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:46 JST GrapheneOS

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     • giorgiopasqualini

     @giorgiopasqualini @Tutanota @PaintedDurian Murena's products are the direct opposite of bringing people better privacy. They're extremely insecure and non-private without even the basics including important standard privacy/security patches and protections. You should read the information which has been linked. Murena's goal is earning as much money as possible for the investors. Privacy is very clearly a branding/marketing tool to do that rather than their actual goal.

     https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:47 JST GrapheneOS

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     • giorgiopasqualini

     @giorgiopasqualini @Tutanota @PaintedDurian GrapheneOS is a privacy and security project which exists to defend users not only from corporations but also from authoritarian states. Why would we work with increasingly authoritarian governments? We won't accept government funding or support. It's not something we want or are trying to obtain. We explicitly don't want it. Governments are welcome to use GrapheneOS and we do want that but we do not want their money which comes with strings attached.

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     giorgiopasqualini (giorgiopasqualini@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:48 JST giorgiopasqualini

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     • GrapheneOS

     @GrapheneOS @Tutanota @PaintedDurian I'm not defending Murena, I think their security can definitely be improved and their nextcloud instance leaves a lot to be desired. But fragmentation is not the answer. You have proved amazing dev skills and get praised for that. You are a security and privacy guru. Just work with the government, not against it. You can not expect the government to accept an impossible-to-detect OS that CAN be used with bad intentions. Not saying WILL, just CAN.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:48 JST GrapheneOS

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     • giorgiopasqualini

     @giorgiopasqualini @Tutanota @PaintedDurian Murena's products and services are a scam. They do not provide what they claim. They're wrongly getting EU funding for their supposed non-profit which exists to build products for their for-profit company. /e/ includes Murena's for-profit services and is mainly used via Murena selling devices, yet this is where EU funding is going. It's a form of corruption that's all too common. Governments should not be choosing companies to enrich this way.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:49 JST GrapheneOS

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     • giorgiopasqualini

     @giorgiopasqualini @Tutanota @PaintedDurian We posted a clear example above of Gaël Duval directly linking to egregious harassment content on a neo-nazi conspiracy site. He posted that in multiple places as part of him trying to take advantage of the French government attacks on GrapheneOS. He has repeatedly engaged in libel towards our team and has supported/soread Kiwi Farms harassment content. Why do you think we should help someone scamming people and attacking us earn more money?

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     giorgiopasqualini (giorgiopasqualini@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:50 JST giorgiopasqualini

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     • GrapheneOS

     @GrapheneOS @Tutanota @PaintedDurian

     1) A business to be reliable and sustainable must earn money somehow.

     2) There are different ways to make money, some are acceptable, some are not.

     3) I'm a /e/OS user and have been a Graphene OS user in the past. I'm willing to pay for a European company to make a good OS and a reliable cloud service (which murena doesn't have).

     4) If Murena has privacy and security issues help them get better instead of starting a whole new OS and foster fragmentation

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:50 JST GrapheneOS

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     • giorgiopasqualini

     @giorgiopasqualini @Tutanota @PaintedDurian Murena's products are a scam with extraordinarily poor privacy and security. They actively mislead people about what they provide to profit from it. Murena's services are also immensely problematic too. The lack of reliability for their operating system and services is far less of an issue than the lack of privacy and security.

     Why would we help a for-profit company which has spent years attacking GrapheneOS and trying to direct harassment towards us?

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     giorgiopasqualini (giorgiopasqualini@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:51 JST giorgiopasqualini

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     • GrapheneOS

     @GrapheneOS @Tutanota @PaintedDurian I don't get why alternate OS devs keep fighting each other instead of unite to fight against the real enemy. Just make one, good, reliable European OS and stop fighting for your 0,0001% marketshare you idiots.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:51 JST GrapheneOS

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     • giorgiopasqualini

     @giorgiopasqualini @Tutanota @PaintedDurian They're not genuine privacy products despite how they're marketed. These are for-profit companies using privacy as a branding/marketing focus to earn money because without it they'd have little reason to justify the devices existing. Reality is that they're providing worse privacy than Apple and dramatically worse security. They're not doing the bare minimum of providing standard privacy/security patches/protections let alone making hardened devices.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:52 JST GrapheneOS

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     @Tutanota @PaintedDurian Murena has spent years misleading people about GrapheneOS and attacking our team including directly engaging in libel and harassment. Here's an example of the founder of /e/ spreading a link to a neo-nazi conspiracy site attacking our founder with libel and harassment based around fabricated stories:

     https://archive.is/SWXPJ
     https://archive.is/n4yTO

     Most alternate mobile OS projects are part of this for self-benefit. They feel threatened by GrapheneOS so they attack it.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:53 JST GrapheneOS

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     @Tutanota @PaintedDurian It's not a misunderstanding. You're choosing to promote unsafe products from companies heavily involved in attacks on GrapheneOS while misleading people about those and about GrapheneOS. You've been making inaccurate claims about GrapheneOS as part of your marketing for a long time now. Our community and project has repeatedly replied to the posts but yet you've doubled down on it and continue. We'll be asking our userbase to cancel their Tuta subs to support us today.

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     Tuta (tutanota@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:54 JST Tuta

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     • GrapheneOS

     @GrapheneOS @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian Good morning, we explicitly mentioned GrapheneOS because it is one of the most secure options out there - but running on a Pixel, we can't really call it deGoogle, that's why it didn't get more space in the article. In any case, we'd like to change anything that's wrong in this article about GrapheneOS so please let us know what we should update. Thanks.

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     Tuta (tutanota@mastodon.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:54 JST Tuta

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     • GrapheneOS

     @GrapheneOS @PaintedDurian We specifically mentioned GrapheneOS because we believe it's a great project, some of our developers use GrapheneOS as well.

     So we believe, this is a misunderstanding, and we'd like to understand and fix it.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 10:07:55 JST GrapheneOS

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     @Tutanota Every option you're promoting has atrocious privacy and security. Each one lacks the most basic privacy and security patches/protections.

     You're also making highly inaccurate and misleading claims about GrapheneOS. This has been a repeated issue with Tuta. It's not surprising considering you're supporting groups not only scamming people but actively spreading misinformation about GrapheneOS and attacking our team with harassment.

     We're going to be publishing a response to Tuta.

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     r (r@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Jan-2026 19:30:27 JST r

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     @Pi_rat We have one, good, reliable American OS.
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     Pi_rat (pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 06-Jan-2026 19:30:28 JST Pi_rat

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     • giorgiopasqualini
     @giorgiopasqualini
     @GrapheneOS @Tutanota @PaintedDurian
     
     > Just make one, good, reliable European OS
     
     This dumb coot doesn't understand shit