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   ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|?? (phenomx6@fedi.pawlicker.com)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 13:10:50 JST ?Smoking cigs in Room 641a ??|??
   The biggest problem with Discord on the internet IMO is how it's fuel for non-confrontational behavior online.
   
   It's the perfect thing for the mentally ill, power tripping piece of shit who hates you for some reason, won't tell you why, and wants you out right now. When you're kicked from a Discord server it vanishes from the list and so does the message history, so you can't see why either. The entire server is gone, and in the server in some "secret" admin room (which is visible with Ripcord/similar) they're too busy shit talking you.
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     arcanicanis (arcanicanis@were.social)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 13:10:49 JST arcanicanis

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     I think why Discord is such a haven to unstable guild admins/mods is because it sets such a low barrier-to-entry for a set of people to have power over something.
     In the earlier years of the internet when someone would start a community they had to actually put their money and time into it, deploy a server or website, maintain it, and work through any surprises that come up. Those are things that would filter out many of the people that want quick fix of control over something, without ever contributing anything, and expect everything to be easy and free to them.
     Since Discord is architected as such a silo, if you have an unstable admin that wants a final 'fvck you', they can just nuke it. Meanwhile with a website or other common services, it's usually possible for other admins/mods to have backups and be able to restore it elsewhere (you can't just 'reimport' contents of a Discord guild, comparatively).
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     Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 14:56:32 JST Charliebrownau

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     @PhenomX6

     Discord is
     Jewish
     Closed Source
     Spying
     Bloated
     Electron
     Centralized

     Mumble + IRC + XMPP are all better

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     Thigh High Socks (thighhighsock@rdrama.cc)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 14:56:32 JST Thigh High Socks

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     @charliebrownau @PhenomX6 I agree completely, but personally, I feel completely forced into using Discord, both by IRL friends and online friends. There are a few people with whom I’d lose contact completely if I stopped using Discord. I only have two friends whom I convinced to install Mumble, and even they usually prefer to use Discord for VC (even though Mumble has lower-latency and better sound quality). Not to mention that there’s no way in hell I could get them on IRC/XMPP.

     The reality I’ve had to accept over the years is that normies don’t give a fuck about any of the things you mentioned, hell, even people with significant technical knowledge don’t always care. If we want people to use non-spyware open-source solutions, we have to make them just as convenient as Discord.

     I think Matrix got pretty close to this goal, while I have my issues with how bloated it is, it’s also a huge improvement from Discord.

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     Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 14:56:32 JST Charliebrownau

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     @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6

     ((( MATRIX )))) is just as bloated and created by the ((( ENEMY)))

     If anything we need a Mumble client that looks like Discord

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 14:56:32 JST 寮

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     @charliebrownau @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 The original Mumble client is good enough, no need for a soy client.
     Just let the normies on all the stuff they already destroyed, us chads will be on XMPP, IRC, Mumble, BBS, Newsgroups, Mailinglists, and all the other actually good stuff.
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     Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 14:58:27 JST Charliebrownau

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     • Thigh High Socks

     @ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock

     I always found Mumble is a good shittest to see if your half tech savy to actually work out

     Username
     Server Name
     Port
     Password

     If they cant work it out
     they are a shitcunt

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:06:56 JST 寮

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     @charliebrownau @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock The internet was such a better place when you had to have a functioning brain in order to even use it.
     So yea, this barrier of entry, whether real or not, is really the bullet proof way of gatekeeping idiots out.
     
     I sometimes get told "if you want people to use the darknet, XMPP, and all that, you'll need to make a satanphone crapp to make it as easy for them as clicking only 1 button.".
     I always reply, "why the fuck should I even make it easy for them to destroy the last good bits of technology!?".
     
     No seriously, it's exactly because the internet has become easier to use (ironically, I actually find modern websoytes harder to use than the old websites) that caused us to have massive amounts of censorship and growing, fucking idiots destroying everything the brightest have created, and everything on one hand, and the tradcucks stopping us from fixing the problem before it's too late by saying "YOU'LL BE JUST AS BAD AS THEM!!" which are part of the problem on the other hand.
     
     So yea, fuck all of them, let's keep the remaining few based technologies to just the nerds, and finally teach fellow nerds how to gatekeep and how to NOT make things easier to use (to automate the gatekeeping).
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     Thigh High Socks (thighhighsock@rdrama.cc)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:07:08 JST Thigh High Socks

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     @ryo @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau

     Just let the normies on all the stuff they already destroyed, us chads will be on XMPP, IRC, Mumble, BBS, Newsgroups, Mailinglists, and all the other actually good stuff.

     That’s great, I like hanging out with chads and technically experienced people.

     However, I also have friends in real life (and online) with whom I would like to stay in touch without using spyware apps like Discord. As I’ve posted before, I have close friends with whom I would completely lose contact without Discord. For this reason, it’d be really nice to have a convenient, privacy friendly, open-source, decentralized, Discord alternative.

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:09:25 JST 寮

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     @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau As a workaround you could just set up a private XMPP server with closed registrations.
     From my own experience, those people will only use XMPP to talk to you, and use other stuff for everyone else.
     As long as you set it all up for them, they'll have no problem using it just for you.
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     Thigh High Socks (thighhighsock@rdrama.cc)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:09:49 JST Thigh High Socks

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     @charliebrownau @ryo @PhenomX6
     When I've tried to get normies on Mumble, they've always had the most trouble with the Audio configuration wizard, especially the Speex codec config part (I think the talking voice confuses them, and for whatever reason, people just don't read directions anymore).
     
     I've had people set their mics to open transmission (or whatever it's called, I can't remember) because they couldn't understand the voice activity setup.
     
     For the most part, they understand the server-username-port.
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     Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:19:04 JST Charliebrownau

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     • Thigh High Socks

     @ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock

     Spot on
     BBS
     IRC
     FTP
     Newsgroups

     Was a better era then the 'accessible' stupid cuntifed software

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:22:25 JST 寮

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     @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau
     > There must be a web front-end that I could set up though!
     
     There is one.
     Can't remember the name of it, but something that ends with ",js", as it's a JS client.
     However, it's filled with bugs (what else do you expect from a JS soyware?), and I think OMEMO doesn't work on it either.
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     Thigh High Socks (thighhighsock@rdrama.cc)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:22:26 JST Thigh High Socks

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     @ryo @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau I think I’ll give it a try, but quite frankly, some of my friends would have trouble even installing an XMPP client (I wish I was kidding about that)

     There must be a web front-end that I could set up though!

     From my own experience, those people will only use XMPP to talk to you, and use other stuff for everyone else.

     I’ve observed this phenomenon, with Mumble, my friends only used it to chat with me.

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     Thigh High Socks (thighhighsock@rdrama.cc)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:23:13 JST Thigh High Socks

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     @charliebrownau @ryo @PhenomX6

     IRC The worst part is that IRC is super easy to use, people are just really fucking stupid. Just open a client, connect to IRC server and port and do /msg nickserv REGISTER <e-mail> <password>

     The hardest part is concealing my IP address (most networks block Tor).

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:24:52 JST 寮

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     @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau You'll be surprised by how many people find it difficult though.
     And yes, most IRC servers block Tor, which is just ridiculous.
     076's IRC server doesn't block Tor though, and even if you don't use Tor, IP address is pretty well hidden, it's a feature of Ergo (IRC server software).
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     Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:27:22 JST Charliebrownau

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     @ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock

     Some of the servers I found use vhosts to hide your ip also

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     Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:30:38 JST Charliebrownau

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     • Thigh High Socks

     @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @ryo

     Assume everyone is
     Stupid
     Brainwashed
     Sheeple

     Makes it easier to deal with

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     Thigh High Socks (thighhighsock@rdrama.cc)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:30:39 JST Thigh High Socks

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     @ryo @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau

     You’ll be surprised by how many people find it difficult though.

     Trust me, I’m well aware that many people find it difficult lmfao.

     IP address is pretty well hidden, it’s a feature of Ergo (IRC server software).

     This kind of thing needs to be standard on sooo many IRC servers.

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     Beefki (beefki@noagendasocial.com)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:45:25 JST Beefki

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     • Thigh High Socks

     @charliebrownau @ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock

     It was better because it naturally gatekept retards off of the platform.

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     NeonkAaa (nk@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:51:26 JST NeonkAaa

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     @ryo
     @charliebrownau @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock
     Yet, making it easier is a good approach. Because not everyone has this understanding of how it works technically, how to set it up, and how lately to maintain it. Look, just a rough example, if I want to listen to music I don't want to set up the proper frequency, calibrate speakers, and write a proper command in several lines. Because in the end, I will forget what I wanted to do.
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:51:26 JST 寮

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     @nk @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @charliebrownau
     > Because not everyone has this understanding of how it works technically, how to set it up, and how lately to maintain it.
     
     Which is exactly the point.
     Just like there are job interviews to gatekeep parasites out who would otherwise just leech money until the company goes bankrupt, there should be a barrier to entry to gatekeep idiots out who would otherwise demand destructive measures, government involvement, and mass surveillance to make it "easier" and "safer" for them to use.
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     Thigh High Socks (thighhighsock@rdrama.cc)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:52:12 JST Thigh High Socks

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     @nk @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo
     Look, the point isn't to have a lot of people, the point is to have quality people.
     
     Ease of use is nice and all, but ultimately, an Internet of just nerds (which is what you'll find on eepsites and to a much lesser extent onion sites) is a cool thing in itself.
     
     The point is to keep people out who don't understand what's going on technically.
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     NeonkAaa (nk@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:53:26 JST NeonkAaa

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     • Thigh High Socks
     @ThighHighSock
     @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo
     Nerds can be lame in tech
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     Thigh High Socks (thighhighsock@rdrama.cc)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 15:53:26 JST Thigh High Socks

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     @nk @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo
     They're better than normies...
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     NeonkAaa (nk@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 16:07:26 JST NeonkAaa

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     @ryo
     @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @charliebrownau
     It was you who said “if you don't know how to set up and maintain it then hire someone who knows”. Now you changed your mind?
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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 16:07:26 JST 寮

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     @nk @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @charliebrownau Yes.
     I'm not forever stuck in the same mindset, so when I'm proven wrong, I change my mind accordingly.
     
     I was actually getting worried for a while that Fedi will get destroyed by the Twitfugees, and I'm glad to seeing Fedi fight back and actually fix the problem while it's still fixable, which also shows that I'm not the only one capable of doing so.
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     arcanicanis (arcanicanis@were.social)'s status on Sunday, 20-Nov-2022 16:46:13 JST arcanicanis

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     • Thigh High Socks
     I'm assuming you mean Converse.js? https://conversejs.org/
     There's also Movim: https://movim.eu/
     Both do OMEMO. The latter option is fairly new and experimental, can be added as a PWA on mobile.
     If it's your own server for a few people, and there's reasonable trust that the server isn't compromised, TLS could be "good enough". (Plus if you run your own server, the TLS version support can be tightened and other hardening tweaks)
     
     Otherwise "Monocles Chat" for a better-maintained Conversations fork (Android native application): https://f-droid.org/en/packages/de.monocles.chat/
     
     If Movim is used, I'd recommend a self-hosted install of it, as I think the Movim backend handles the actual XMPP C2S connection to the server.
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     Thigh High Socks (thighhighsock@rdrama.cc)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 07:46:48 JST Thigh High Socks

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     @nk @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo Everything about IT nerds is higher quality than normies.

     Normies are destroying our current clearnet by flocking to centralized, spyware services (such as Discord, Facebook, etc.) and thus creating a “network” effect where others are almost forced to use them.

     Normies are enabling the corrupt financial system by refusing to use Monero, and insisting on credit cards. Even worse, many see cryptocurrency as “investment opportunities” and cause the prices to be volatile. They keep their coins in central exchanges, or even worse, investment apps such as Robinhood (which does not even allow you to send your bitcoins to an actual address).

     Normies are destroying what little freedom the clearnet has left, by demanding that companies such as Cloudflare drop clients because they’re controversial.

     Normies treat the Internet like real life, they make things less fun by being offended by people acting like retards for fun.

     I’m not saying that any of these things are exclusive to normies, there are nerds cough cough trannies who do the same thing, but it’s a lot more common amongst normies.

     A network of exclusively IT nerds would be much more pleasant. The i2p community demonstrates this pretty well!

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     NeonkAaa (nk@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 07:46:49 JST NeonkAaa

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     @ryo
     @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @charliebrownau
     Then you will not get "quality people" because there are different mindsets. You will get only IT nerds.
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     NeonkAaa (nk@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 07:48:03 JST NeonkAaa

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     @ThighHighSock
     @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo
     
     There are also quality non-IT-nerds people. How to deal with them?
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     @nk @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo
     
     I mean, look, yea, there might be a few quality non-IT nerds, but the benefit of excluding normies is far greater than the cost.
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     NeonkAaa (nk@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 07:48:11 JST NeonkAaa

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     @ThighHighSock
     @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @ryo
     
     Sad point
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     Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 07:51:22 JST Charliebrownau

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     @nk @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @ryo

     No such thing as good quality non it nerds friends

     Most sheeple have nothing in common with us

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 07:51:22 JST 寮

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     @charliebrownau @nk @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock I do agree there are exceptions.
     There are good quality non-IT nerds and bad quality IT nerds out there, but both ways is just a tiny percentage.
     Good non-nerds can be thought of as newcomers with legit interest in IT willing to learn how to use computers the right way.
     
     So I don't really mind non-nerds to be online if that's for them being willing to learn and adapt to the online culture, rather than them wanting to destroy it.
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     xianc78@gameliberty.club's status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 07:58:10 JST xianc78

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     @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @nk @ryo Fucking off to the remote corner doesn't solve the problem with normies using credit cards.

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     @ryo @PhenomX6 @charliebrownau @nk
     I actually agree with this, the kinds of people who can't figure out IRC aren't like that solely due to a lack of technical experience, but due to apathy, and not wanting to learn.
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     Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 08:25:26 JST Charliebrownau

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     @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @nk @ryo

     Its really pissed me off Ive come across people over the last 25 years that refuse to learn computers

     Yet they have a
     portable tracking device
     Use fakebook
     use ATM machines
     and know how stop signs work

     Refusal to learn certain things

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 08:26:27 JST 寮

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     @charliebrownau @ThighHighSock @PhenomX6 @nk
     > use ATM machines
     > and know how stop signs work
     
     Why are these 2 things bad?
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     Charliebrownau (charliebrownau@pieville.net)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 08:41:36 JST Charliebrownau

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     @ryo @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @nk

     Missing my point
     They are willing to understand and work out certain tech when they are forced too

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     寮 (ryo@social.076.ne.jp)'s status on Monday, 21-Nov-2022 08:42:42 JST 寮

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     @charliebrownau @PhenomX6 @ThighHighSock @nk Ah, I see.