@Escoffier@ShowMeYourLibrary Both are true. God is everywhere, but there is a reason even Jesus said of the temple "My Father's House".
Water is in the vapor that fills the air all around us, but we head to the well when we need to drink.
I understand the sentiment of preferring to be in the mountains and thinking of God rather than being in church and thinking of the mountains, but both are indispensable.
@SavvyLevie@ShowMeYourLibrary Im not saying there's no value in gathering together as believers but the only gathering thst seemed to have any Holy Spirit power whatsoever were Bible studies in peoples homes. The Big building stuff leaves me completely cold
@Escoffier@SavvyLevie@ShowMeYourLibrary FWIW small e ecumenism is taking off more now that it did when I was younger. I have Baptist and non-denominational and Catholics in a Bible study and nobody gets weird about stuff. Christian fellowship is important even if it isn’t in a church.
@BowsacNoodle@SavvyLevie@ShowMeYourLibrary Agreed. I feel like the denominations have allowed to much crap to adhere like the hull of a ship thag they are no longer fit for purpose and we need to just gather together. Im not surprised that denominational crap isn't a problem.
@Escoffier@SavvyLevie@ShowMeYourLibrary I respect where you’re coming from, but i have the opposite PoV today. I try not to speak in the church because it’s respect for God’s house and therefor respect to Him. The building is just a building, but it being beautiful inside helps me to physically recognize that I’m in a place that’s designated as special and set apart from “the world”, so to speak. It’s not the building that matters so much as respecting it as separate from elsewhere. I feel the same about former pizza huts turned into a church.
@SavvyLevie@ShowMeYourLibrary It sounds good but at the end of the day they become distractions. Our sinful nature causes us to worship them not the creator. I dont think it was an accident God did away with the temple
@Escoffier@ShowMeYourLibrary A beautiful church can help the faithful by giving them a crumb of the beauty that awaits them in the afterlife. Man is both body and soul, you cannot separate one from the other, and since we perceive the world through our senses, this is a good way to bring the idea of heaven a little closer to our limited understanding. Furthermore, these magnificent works were people's prayers of glorification, offered Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam. There is no excess in what we can offer for the Glory of God.
"And when Jesus was in Bethania, in the house of Simon the leper, There came to him a woman having an alabaster box of precious ointment, and poured it on his head as he was at table. And the disciples seeing it, had indignation, saying: To what purpose is this waste? For this might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. And Jesus knowing it, said to them: Why do you trouble this woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For the poor you have always with you: but me you have not always. For she in pouring this ointment upon my body, hath done it for my burial. Amen I say to you, wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, that also which she hath done, shall be told for a memory of her." - Mark 14:3-9 / John 12:1-8
@Escoffier@BowsacNoodle@ShowMeYourLibrary That is a good question. My educated answer: You'd be surprised that the early Church also decorated their places of worship. Especially ones which found themselves under the patronage of wealthy converts. It was during the era of Christendom that we finally had the ability to build these monuments to God's glory. It's a matter of social, political, and economic capabilities, which the early Christians lacked.
@Escoffier@SavvyLevie@ShowMeYourLibrary It was more concerned with not getting executed and spreading the gospel. Less resources so everything went to where it could. I don’t know what the early church felt about designating certain areas for reverence or not, but I’m assuming that’s a pretty longstanding tradition considering the table flipping incident. I know there are several separate meanings to this as well, but the idea of having an area for non-priests and the everyman to worship God was at least reinforced as good by Christ driving out the money changers.
@BowsacNoodle@SavvyLevie@ShowMeYourLibrary I think there is an.attempt genuine danger trying to draw parallels between the temple and the Christian Church. I believe they are wildly different things.
@Escoffier@SavvyLevie@ShowMeYourLibrary Fair point. The sole parallel I’m after is a place of reverence for worshipping God. A beautiful church helps me (I don’t believe God demands it) to recognize the place as sacred. I have been in churches that take the opposite approach and are very carefree about what goes on in the sanctuary despite having other rooms available. The respect and separate aspect resonates more with me, but that’s me.
@BowsacNoodle@SavvyLevie@ShowMeYourLibrary I keep saying we just need to strip Christianity down to the bare metal and examine each element carefully before reattaching them.