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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:17:13 JST
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:17:15 JST
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>As for when Plasma will drop support for X11? There’s currently no firm timeline for this, and I certainly don’t expect it to happen in the next year, or even the next two years. But that’s just a guess; it depends on how quickly we implement everything on https://community.kde.org/Plasma/Wayland_Known_Significant_Issues.
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:17:16 JST
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@mischievoustomato I see, KDE has taken inspiration from guh-nome and is removing features.
>>What if I still really need X11?
>This is a perfect use case for long term support (LTS) distributions shipping older versions of Plasma. For example, AlmaLinux 9 includes the Plasma X11 session and will be supported until sometime in 2032.
Lmao, good luck using RHEL as your desktop.
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:17:58 JST
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@dcc @phnt fedora defaults to wayland, debian too, opensuse doesnt for some reason (but it sucks as a distro anyway) , arch too basically due to defaults. In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:17:59 JST
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@dcc @phnt you can but you do know maintaining that will require a lot of effort for a very small if not negligible userbase In conversation permalink -
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@mischievoustomato @phnt Most people don't use wayland.... In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:18:00 JST
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@dcc @phnt if upstream removes x11 how do you resist? tbqh wayland works just fine for most people In conversation permalink -
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:18:00 JST
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@mischievoustomato @phnt >erm a fork?
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:18:01 JST
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@phnt @mischievoustomato Creating resistance is going to be the down fall of these projects lol In conversation permalink -
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:19:16 JST
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@mischievoustomato @phnt And? the number still say x11 is used more that wayshit.
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:20:48 JST
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@m0xEE @phnt @mischievoustomato The only numbers available from firefox In conversation permalink -
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:marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading: (m0xee@breloma.m0xee.net)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:20:50 JST
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:23:21 JST
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@m0xEE @phnt @mischievoustomato Uh? its literately the only real sats? and its real data? In conversation permalink -
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:marseyloadingneon: m0xEE :marseyloading: (m0xee@breloma.m0xee.net)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:23:22 JST
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I wouldn't trust reports based on telemetry in software that is most often used by the crowd who hates telemetry :marseyemojismilemouthcoldsweat:In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:23:42 JST
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:26:30 JST
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@mischievoustomato @dcc Well, good thing that the only application that I somewhat need from the KDE suite is skanpage simply for the reason that every other scanning application completely sucks. I don't really need Ark. In conversation permalink ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: and Johnny Peligro like this. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:27:50 JST
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@HatkeshiatorTND 100% (1% of lunix) of firecucks users use x11!!!! In conversation permalink -
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March 16th, The Hyperboreatkeshiator (hatkeshiatortnd@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:27:51 JST
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"there is data out there"
"the vast majority did not contribute data, thus p≠0 that everything is the opposite of the data. you must personally poll every user of the gnu system."
"..."
"silence is not a logical argument, lol get owned, looks like i won"
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:29:47 JST
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@phnt @dcc i like ark. I haven't scanned docs in ages In conversation permalink -
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Pawlicker (purpcat@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:33:34 JST
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@phnt @mischievoustomato >the most successful Unix oses don't use x or Wayland
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:34:14 JST
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@ra1n @PurpCat @phnt @mischievoustomato Read up In conversation permalink -
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:34:16 JST
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@PurpCat @phnt @mischievoustomato Arcan should be the new display server. In conversation permalink Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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ra1n :tux: (ra1n@pleroma.ra1n.digital)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:34:16 JST
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@dcc @PurpCat @phnt @mischievoustomato did u see KDE is dropping x11 support In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:34:17 JST
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@hunter0one @dcc @phnt i tried it yesterday and had to move away from it. Telegram has been broken and uninstallable for like a month or more, I had to blackhole a mirror because their supposedly super good cdn system would send me to a mirror with a max speed of about 40kb/s (i have 60MB/s up and down). Wifi didn't work at first, had to log out and log back in to be able to connect for some reason. Packman is advised against but flatpaks suck. In conversation permalink -
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hunter0one@annihilation.social's status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:34:18 JST
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@mischievoustomato @dcc @phnt Explain what sucks about openSUSE compared to Fedora or Debian. In conversation permalink -
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:36:47 JST
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@mischievoustomato @PurpCat @phnt It just means that if wayshit does become a requirement you can just say fuck you and use aracan, i should port dwm or something like it to aracan tbh, In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:36:48 JST
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@dcc @PurpCat @phnt cool, is kde, gnome, red hat, canonical pushing for arcan then? In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:36:49 JST
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@dcc @PurpCat @phnt it's not gonna be because of the push for wayland but it seemed interesting In conversation permalink -
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:36:49 JST
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@mischievoustomato @PurpCat @phnt arcan has both x and wayland layer support.... In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:37:07 JST
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@dcc @m0xEE @phnt 🤷♂️ i keep seeing linux users using anything but firefox in /g/, reddit and irl so In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:37:08 JST
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@dcc @m0xEE @phnt I don't really know. more and more i see people running chrome or chromium forks In conversation permalink -
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:37:08 JST
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@mischievoustomato @m0xEE @phnt I know you don't otherwise you could not ask stupid questions
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:37:09 JST
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@dcc @m0xEE @phnt the browser with barely any market share? In conversation permalink -
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@mischievoustomato @m0xEE @phnt The one will the most market share on linux? In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:38:50 JST
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@dcc @PurpCat @phnt who? In conversation permalink -
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:38:51 JST
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@mischievoustomato @PurpCat @phnt Femboy wayland smaher 69 be like
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:38:52 JST
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March 16th, The Hyperboreatkeshiator (hatkeshiatortnd@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:39:34 JST
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"100% of respondents to our market research survey (0.001% of the market) expressed these preferences!!!!"
and then they implement the preferences expressed
and then they do better.
note that there is a strong argument that about 90% of people would not only refuse to participate in a market research survey, i guarantee a comfortable majority would look upon you with contempt for asking.
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:40:59 JST
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@PurpCat @phnt some people seem to consider xquartz as x In conversation permalink -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:43:20 JST
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@hunter0one @dcc @mischievoustomato
>Explain what sucks about openSUSE
They are G*rmans.
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:43:33 JST
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hunter0one@annihilation.social's status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:43:34 JST
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@mischievoustomato I'm glad to see X11 is on the way out. Wayland just works. In conversation permalink Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:45:04 JST
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@hunter0one @dcc @phnt i will In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:45:05 JST
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@hunter0one @dcc @phnt stuff works for some, not for others, it's ok. In conversation permalink -
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hunter0one@annihilation.social's status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:45:05 JST
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@mischievoustomato @dcc @phnt Yeah but that applies to everything, I don't really like Slackware because I find it very hacky and painful if you want anything outside of what comes with the ISO (which is 99.9% of people) but I won't say it sucks because it doesn't work for me In conversation permalink -
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hunter0one@annihilation.social's status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:45:06 JST
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@mischievoustomato @dcc @phnt This is almost the complete opposite of my experience, as for the mirrors I just set it to a specific one. You can use Packman fine across all the openSUSE distros, and I'd say it's more friendly to native RPM packages than Fedora due to OBS (Copr isn't nearly as extensive). In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:45:31 JST
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@hunter0one @dcc @phnt well, tbf, considering something has been broken for months, and is known and not fixed, one can aptly say it sucks In conversation permalink -
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hunter0one@annihilation.social's status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:47:31 JST
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@mischievoustomato @dcc @phnt It sucks for you, not for anyone else who doesn't have the problem or finds the solution In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:47:31 JST
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@hunter0one @dcc @phnt yeah so I'll say it sucks In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:52:06 JST
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hunter0one@annihilation.social's status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 01:52:08 JST
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@mischievoustomato @dcc @phnt And I'll say Debian and Fedora sucks. Capiche? In conversation permalink -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 02:44:11 JST
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@nach @phnt damn nigga of course the developers have a bigger say In conversation permalink -
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Vespa Rally 200 (nach@detroitriotcity.com)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 02:44:12 JST
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@mischievoustomato @phnt what's the use case for that opinion? In conversation permalink Attachments
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✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 02:51:51 JST
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@HatkeshiatorTND @mischievoustomato You should not break the reply chain btw, its bad manners. In conversation permalink -
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March 16th, The Hyperboreatkeshiator (hatkeshiatortnd@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 02:51:51 JST
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@dcc @mischievoustomato oh alright. In conversation permalink ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this. -
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Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 02:52:03 JST
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March 16th, The Hyperboreatkeshiator (hatkeshiatortnd@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 09:33:08 JST
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@dcc for the very good reason that it sucks. much as they pretend otherwise, kdecels understand this instinctively. In conversation permalink ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: likes this. -
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Bruh Momento (bruh_momento@shota.house)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 12:00:04 JST
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@JustDisa @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love I have a MacBook, a Windows 11 desktop, and a Raspberry Pi, so all three major OSes. The only troublesome things with Windows 11 in my experience have been the weird hardware requirements, which I worked around, and the new right-click menus being GNOMEified garbage, but can also be disabled.
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Disa (justdisa@shota.house)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 12:00:06 JST
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@bruh_momento @mischievoustomato@tsundere.love I'm about as anti-Wayland as someone can be... well, maybe not quite. I do think it has a lot of work to do; things were pretty unusable when I last gave it a try. Especially when it came to application scaling. I'll actively try to hold off on using it until the very end. Every little trick or solution to keep X11, I'll probably use it, at least until I find Wayland's experience to be on par for my use case.
That said...I quit using Linux years ago. If I'm going to be forced to take a reaming, might as well have an OS that works.I'm going to assume you use either Mac or BSD, because "OS that works" if referring to Windows, just does not compute with me. Especially if referring to the latest dumpster fire that is Windows 11. Admittedly everything I have heard about Win11 is from other people, but I've basically heard nothing but complaints.
Obviously, if it works for you, that's great! I'm not going to shit on you based on the OS you choose to use on your machine. lol, that'd be silly.
This is more just me saying that I , as someone who finds the process of using Windows akin to that of pulling teeth, don't personally relate to that statement.
All things genuine (and a slight side-tangent), I think people are much too butthurt about what other people use or how other people consume media, or just anything like that. Objectively, more formats/platforms/devices/etc, which allow more people to enjoy things in a way that makes them comfortable, are an overall positive in my book.In conversation permalink -
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Bruh Momento (bruh_momento@shota.house)'s status on Thursday, 27-Nov-2025 12:00:08 JST
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@mischievoustomato@tsundere.love The FreeDesktop cycle: 1. introduce crapware that supposedly "fixes" things that were never an issue while introducing brand new issues (see: Pulseaudio, systemd, Wayland), 2. boldly tell everyone that the prior, working solution is "deprecated", 3. hardcode dependencies into various bits of software, 4. finally, remove "legacy" support
All programmers have the hubris of thinking that THEIR rewrite will be the ultimate one. However, this soft-forcing of crapola has a uniquely malicious, spiteful, and hard-headed aspect to it that one can only find in Redhat-aligned circles. I expect a Wayland replacement to form in ten years. It'll totally work this time, trust me bro. One more refactor and we will finally have paradise.
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