Strypey
"Both influenza and corona are RNA viruses; consequently they have a higher mutation rate than DNA viruses, which have a 'proof-reading ability' to find and repair damaged genetic material. 'RNA viruses copy themselves unfaithfully', writes Lowe, 'making difficult the determination of any original form as well as precise foreknowledge about future forms; the copy is unfaithful to the original'.”
#EbenKirksey, 2020
https://doi.org/10.1080/19428200.2020.1760631
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Zardoz
r3d0x
Strypey
@k0nd0r
> I've never read the Kalergi book, so I'm unable to render a firm opinion either way
That's a good reason not to comment on the content of that book in particular. I respect that. But that's not what I'm asking for your comment on, which is your take on the Great Replacement myth in general.
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Strypey
@k0nd0r
> That's not for me to judge
That's a cop out. Like saying the same about flat earth nonsense. I get that some things are complicated and there are valid arguments on both sides. Some thing are simply and obviously wrong, including flat earth nonsense, "scientific" racism, and the Great Replacement trope based on it.
Strypey
@k0nd0r
> the infamous Kalergi plan, now threatening to extinguish the indigenous populations of Europe and elsewhere
Just so we're on the same page, you're aware that this is pure mythology, whipped up by white supremacist fear mongers, yes? Which ought to be obvious to anyone who understands enough biology to know that races are visual variations, not measurable in human genomes.
Strypey
@k0nd0r
> if you take the time to examine the discourse within our community
I had a quick look. The first thing I found was a bunch of posts extolling 19th century "scientific racism" nonsense. I did see some good debunking too, but as well as being eyerolling, this did little to encourage me to browse further.
However, I'm happy to continue discussions with you, @CatherineOrganic1, and anyone else capable of presenting credible arguments with references. Keep 'em coming!
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r3d0x
r3d0x
Strypey
@k0nd0r
> Don't forget the plasmid DNA also included in these products
First I've heard of this. What is plasmid DNA in this context, and why was it included in mRNA vaccines? What's the evidence that it was? Feel free to chuck links at me, especially to primary sources. Happy to do the reading rather than making you spoonfeed me the info : P
Strypey
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In the Gelsinger case, what was injected was DNA. In the form of a modified virus capable of altering the genes in his cell nuclei.
In mRNA vaccines, what's injected is RNA. The copy of DNA made in cell nuclei, and used as a template by the protein folding machinery in the cell.
Strypey
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@k0nd0r
> marketed as vaccines to cover up the fact that this technology of transfection has already been proven to be both useless as a therapy and dangerous
Intriguing. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something here, but you seem to be conflating 2 very different techniques.
Strypey
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@CatherineOrganic1
> definitely not appropriate for use in organics as a veterinary vaccine, hence entering the food supply
💯%. Nothing involving genetic manipulation is appropriate in organic food or medicine production. Not without decades of noncommercial public research, in a sealed environment. To establish narrow, predictable effectiveness, and rule out unanticipated long term side effects.
Even then, the precautionary principle must be paramount.
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Strypey
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@CatherineOrganic1
> The alltrials transparency push looks good but again rules without enforcement mean nothing
The original AllTrials campaign, started by Dr Ben Goldacre, pushed for drug regulators like the FDA to ignore studies that were not registered before they began. Preventing companies from running dozens of studies behind closed doors, cherry-picking ones that make their products look good for publication and presentation to regulators. Very enforceable.
Strypey
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@CatherineOrganic1
> breaking down the science of modified RNA toxicity and its inappropriate use as a 'vaccine' when it is at best a transfection
I'm not sure what this means. Care to expand?
But from your link;
"Dr. James Wilson, the lead investigator, owned stock in Genovo, the company developing the therapy, and stood to gain millions if the therapy was successful."
A classic example of the perverse incentives created by the commercialisation of biological and medical research.
Strypey
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Antidepressants are a great example. Every 20 years or so the dominant Antidepressants starts to be loudly criticised over safety or efficacy, and dumped. In favour of new, freshly patented drugs.
Meanwhile, vitamin D is a very effective treatment in some cases, especially for seasonal depression. But it remains chronically understudied. So not subsidised by public health systems, while novel pharmaceutical antidepressants are, despite significant evidence of harm in many cases.
CatherineOrganic
Strypey
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@CatherineOrganic1
> Patent law in medicine means good medicines are dumped for the new and unproven
Indeed. Also there's a powerful incentive to fund research into novel chemicals or equipment that might get patents. But little or no incentive to research generic plant medicines, or non-medicinal treatments, which probably won't. Even where there's good reason to believe they might be more effective and cheaper to provide.
Strypey
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The vaccine thing is ... more complicated than that. I'm interested in what the evidence says. What I've seen so far doesn't supports a hard pro nor anti position.
I'm in favour of excluding vaccines from the drug patent system (or scrapping it entirely), and de-corporatising all vaccine research and production. That would remove any perverse incentives to push unnecessary or unsafe vaccines, and make all research on them fully open access. See also;
CatherineOrganic
Strypey
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@CatherineOrganic1
> I imagine could be engaged through the GE disregulation their government is trying to force down kiwis throats
I imagine I could. Considering I was an active supporter of the GE Free movement through the late 1990s and early 2000s. Leading to the very world-leading HASNO Act that NatACT First are now trying to dismantle. GM tech needs to become like nuclear tech; strong bipartisan consensus against it, political suicide to deregulate.
CatherineOrganic
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Strypey
"These viruses have unstable boundaries, so many biologists call them “mutant swarms” or “clouds.” Since swarms and clouds constantly change shape, perhaps researchers are warranted in using fuzzy language as they talk about COVID-19 and the SARS-CoV-2 quasi-species."
#EbenKirksey, 2020
https://doi.org/10.1080/19428200.2020.1760631
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BowserNoodle ☦️
Her Menstruating Testes 🇮🇳
@Zardoz @CatherineOrganic1 @k0nd0r @strypey @BowsacNoodle
This.
Misogynist!
Okay, I'm a misogynist now.
Racist!
Okay, I'm a racist now.
Nazi.
Okay, I'm a nazi now.
We've transcended the insults.
It's water off a ducks back.
We know the true temperature of the pond. Your false labels hold no currency anymore. You're a merchant of deceit, clearly.
Zardoz
BowserNoodle ☦️
Strypey
If you're interested in the history of big demographic changes, you could learn about the period called the "Age of Exploration". A euphemism for despotic, theocratic empires - mostly but not exclusively European - sending out huge numbers of people to invade other people's countries - mostly but not exclusively brown people - and kill or enslave them.
This is the real Great Replacement, of brown people in their own countries (eg the US, OZ and NZ) by Europeans. Read a book.
Strypey
@BowsacNoodle
> there hasn’t been a deliberate attempt to break up European (White) countries through mass immigration
No, there hasn't. There's not a single piece of evidence to support this obvious nonsense. There's more evidence for the Loch Ness Monster than for the Great Replacement. It's the racial equivalent of flat earthism.
If you believe this nonsense, I have a harbour bridge you may be interested in buying. Also, would you like to invest in my new crypto coin?
BowserNoodle ☦️
EvilSandmich
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Matty
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