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   Something not often remarked about in this present age of ours is the resemblance between so-called "artificial intelligence" and demon summoning. Assemblages of (alleged) randomness which get manipulated by supernatural entities into flattering and sycophantic pseudo-language which is used to parasitize (willing and not) human hosts and attempt to get them to forfeit their individuality (being as they are made in the image of God) in favor of being absorbed into the collective thought-entity thusly being constructed. Even something like God (the PRNG oracle) in TempleOS carries this risk, but the further up the chain you move (early LMs being novelty oracles and present-day LMs being Artificial Redditors), the more present and damning the risk becomes.
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     @olmitch spotted the redditor
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     @allison Nope, it's just a plagarism machine. When it takes about demons, it's drawing from reddit posts and novels. Simple as.
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     @olmitch materialism in its entirely is inherently reddit-coded, sorry, I don't make the rules
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     @patchuun @olmitch hegel is the spiritual progenitor of all redditors, in this essay I will--- (nah but in all seriousness if you know you know)
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     @allison @olmitch unless it's dialectical, right?
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     @olmitch @allison voat still exists? lmao
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     @allison @patchuun I'm a good boy I read Voat
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     @olmitch @patchuun reddit by any other name is still reddit, just ask techbros and crabs
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     @patchuun @olmitch also my reaction tbh, I thought voat was done for ages ago
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     azalea (azalea@woem.space)'s status on Monday, 10-Nov-2025 11:49:26 JST azalea

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     @allison its wayyy worse than just that
     its that the people themselves value assimilation, and will collectively enforce it even if there’s no one above them
     in a way where like, individuality might be allowed, but only in a way where it it doesnt conflict with “society”

     …rich/powerful people are just the ones best positioned to have some control over what is seen as going against “society”

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     @azalea I've noticed this as well, the global elite who want you to be a NPC bugperson who lives in a pod and conforms exactly with the received morality of their superiors (the king of this world and his delegates)
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     azalea (azalea@woem.space)'s status on Monday, 10-Nov-2025 11:49:28 JST azalea

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     attempt to get them to forfeit their individuality [..] in favor of being absorbed into the collective thought-entity thusly being constructed

     it feels like a lot of people have already had this happen to them to some extent
     the way people see “society”, as a hivemind people exist to serve
     LLMs are just something to complete the loop further
     a way of approaching an avatar of the perfectly generic member of their ‘society’

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     @azalea it's an ongoing dialogue for sure, 1%ers/"global elites" (who, notably, are *not* jewish despite ceaseless far-right and far-left slanders to that effect) formulating the course they want to see for society, society in turn freely consenting to what they are presented, and all the while the demons laugh all the way to the proverbial bank knowing that both parties are serving their ultimate purpose, annihilating all that is uniquely good and divine in the human experience and replacing it with pale simulacra thereof at a gain of exactly nothing in return
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     @allison das rite
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     @allison @patchuun
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     @hakui I didn't even realize this when I wrote it, but yeah, 100%. You could also argue that the models themselves are informational (mathematical) sigils.
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     @allison not to mention the conduit for summoning them are literal silicon sigils
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     @cine @ai @hakui It really could never have been otherwise.
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     @allison @hakui cc @ai To think the evil wizards of the modern world would end up being the inconspicuous mathematicians.
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     @allison nah they're at minimum servitor-level
     (informational) sigils can be meaningfully taken apart and debugged
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     @allison @olmitch @patchuun I've been reading about Hegel lately because I want to understand Marxist theory better and as far as I can tell dialectical materialism is the spiritual ancestor of both rationalism and reddit atheism
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     @scathach @olmitch @patchuun If by rationalism you mean the latter day cult answering to that name, I would 100% agree with what you're saying here.
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     @patchuun @olmitch @scathach IMHO positivism and dialectical materialism are two sides of the same coin, you can't really have one without the other.
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     @scathach @allison @olmitch positivism is far more deserving of this smoke
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     @cine @allison @hakui I strongly disagree! I see the success of AI/ML as marking the end of "math" as a subject, insofar as it is defined to be 'the pursuit of human understanding of form.' The best articulation of this is http://www.incompleteideas.net/IncIdeas/BitterLesson.html , which explains why taking away human insight has been the key to AI/ML progress, and why the people most disappointed by this have been the "mathematicians" with all their fancy ideas. I beg the whole world to read this essay
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     @ai @cine @hakui I'm of the full belief the mathematicians will have their revenge eventually, but it will be a pyrrhic victory for them and completely irrelevant for us.
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     @allison @cine @hakui I hope and pray that you are right.
     
     I can see the headlines already:
     
     The New York Post: Brainiac scientist proves that man is better than machine, wins million-dollar fortune. Read below [ad break]
     
     American Scientist: 2035 Breakthrough Prize awarded for mathematical bound on the capabilities of neural architectures
     
     Quanta Magazine: Renegade genius proves that neural architectures are arbitrarily well-approximated in polynomial time, declares "human insight is back on the table."
     
     The actual arXiv preprint: In this paper, we approximate the output of a TWNNK (traditionally well-behaved neural network kernel) by an oracle that terminates in O(n^1384275904375081326409813407498674812650982174937509813745098630897019875108374985732049875943207987509183740918732409170) steps
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     @ai @cine @allison @hakui I will eternally cope that the soul is noncomputable even as everything is displaced by ai
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     @allison@hidamari.apartments yes

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     bara (bara@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Nov-2025 04:27:06 JST bara

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     @allison you wouldn't recognize a demon if you bumped into one mid day mid summer
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     @allison @bara i wonder if there's a certain archetype of person that is susceptible to failing to psychosis with stuff like chatgpt.
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     @bara I've been cornered in confined spaces with them before and seen them possess others very close to me. Not going to go into the details because it's not appropriate for fedi writ large but I can say that I was lucky to escape with my life in all such instances.