@verita84@vriska this one is difficult because it's true that they were largely full of shit about the fraudulent recipients, but on the other hand we know the amount of actual fraud is way higher than zero so zero prosecutions doesn't mean anything.
but nobody has explained yet why their raw data is such a fucked up mess that simple queries find a hundred thousand people that are 200 years old. ok, so you "audited the data" but why can't the system just like...detect and prevent that?
@verita84@vriska DOGE would need to consent to third party auditing. They didn't do that so they don't deserve to be trusted.
On the other hand the government never does real third party auditing of claims so expecting this for DOGE but not for literally every other government claim is kind of silly. We just don't know and never will.
@verita84@vriska > As for the CIA, it hasn’t been audited by the GAO since the 1960s, despite repeated calls from lawmakers to increase transparency. DOGE’s complete avoidance of intelligence-related spending raised eyebrows
if you are even a little smart this doesn't "raise eyebrows" because auditing black projects how do you even do that securely. I mean, yes it should be done, but it can't be the same process.
@vriska@verita84 so you process a lot of data that comes from heterogeneous analog sources. that means you have one database full of raw data. and you then process and cleanse and normalize that data into your useful dataset.
if musk and co just queried the raw dataset before cleansing then you could possibly get the result you see and it wouldn't be indicative of massive fraud. in a country of 300 million people you get data with transposed or illegible year digits
@verita84@vriska spacex is good but I hear from friends of friends that work there that productive work basically goes off the rails and stops whenever he comes in and tries to "manage"
@sun@verita84@vriska Maybe. However, I remember well how the Starlink started. SpaceX opened an office in Seattle, and hired a bunch of retreads from Boeing and such. They made the project disastrously late, and they could not afford to be late, because the licenses issued by the government specified a certain number of satellites in orbit by a certain date. Musk came to fix the problem, and he did. He listened to the reports and fired the whole leadership. Everyone. Then he promoted promising underlings. He put the thing on track. It's a fact.
To be sure, first Starlinks were significantly de-scoped. They launched with no inter-satellite links, for example. So they worked like Globalstar. But they did work nonetheless. And that made the difference. The traditional management was unable to do what had to be done.
Many such cases. IMHO the victims of Musk's management ought to STFU.
@sun@vriska@verita84 i tried talking to some bumpkins about why 100 records of 200 year olds is not actually statistically significant and they just stared at me
@sun@verita84@vriska constitutionally speaking congress can opt to do inquiries and just demand anything and everything. and send anyone who refuses (muh national sekuritee) directly to prison for contempt of congress :blobcatshrug2:
@anemone@vriska@sun@verita84 there is kind of an issue where 100 flagrantly erroneously records is bad, but in a sample of 300m marbles its not a significant amount of error, but the real problem is there's a distribution of error that increases as the severity goes down.
like every billionaire is doing crimes but maybe one a century actually gets caught kind of thing
@anemone@sun@verita84@vriska i'll shut up about it now but taleb calls it wittgenstein's ruler (are you measuring the ruler against the table or the table against the ruler) and deming had a different term for it, but both basically come down to without establishing a model of error there is no way to tell if some amount of error is "bad" because it could be that the clerks are really very good and the error was inevitable.
or the clerks are very bad and the error is appalling.
but elon is actually kind of a dumbass and trump is a showman so :comfyshrug:
@icedquinn@vriska@verita84 I am coming at this not from the "technically it's really easy" but assuming they don't want to expose CIA family jewels in a public hearing
@sun@vriska@verita84 there's a lot of toilet paper rolls to launder how they're legal.
congress could also just set their budget to zero next session but its very likely the plot was lost with eisenhowers warning that the country was fucked