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   kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 00:52:38 JST kaia
   self-updating AppImages seem the only way to reliably get the newest version of a software on Linux besides compiling from source :sadcat:
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 01:09:11 JST kaia

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     • paula8
     @paula8 but Paula you are straight??? :LappWorried:
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     paula8 (paula8@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 01:09:13 JST paula8

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     @kaia i use debian
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     paula8 (paula8@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 01:19:23 JST paula8

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     @kaia i did not have a boyfriend when i installed lesbian
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     Kevin Neely :donor: (ktneely@infosec.exchange)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 01:38:09 JST Kevin Neely :donor:

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     • Aroop Roelofs

     @finlaydag33k @kaia I don't know how they do it, but Obsidian self-updates within the AppImage, so it's at least possible for that to happen. I don't know how viable it is for other projects to follow suit.

     On Arch, I find many more things available through the default and AUR package repositories, so my updates are almost completely through that mechanism. A nice side-effect I hadn't realized before.

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     Aroop Roelofs (finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 01:38:10 JST Aroop Roelofs

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     @kaia AppImages or FlatPaks pretty much yea...

     Sometimes via a packagemanager (apt, dnf etc.) works but not always.
     It's honestly one of the bigger things Linux is lacking in and probs will never really solve.

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     Aroop Roelofs (finlaydag33k@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 01:38:36 JST Aroop Roelofs

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     • Kevin Neely :donor:

     @ktneely To my knowledge, AppImages have a "framework" which you can't update and the "app's filesystem" (which the app has free reign in).
     Obsidian is an Electron app, so when you press the "update" button in Obsidian, it probably updates the bits getting opened by Electron (maybe Electron itself?), not the AppImage framework.

     A downside about the AUR is that you're also always on the bleeding edge, which may not always be desirable and also can lead to dependency hell (which is something that projects like AppImage and FlatPak try to avoid).

     @kaia

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     :thonk: (p@raru.re)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 02:40:29 JST :thonk:

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     lots of things are available with python-pip
     things that aren't even python
     @kaia

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     :thonk: (p@raru.re)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 02:40:31 JST :thonk:

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     AppImages are fine for somethings sure
     another alternative is docker/podman, but that can be a little more complicated
     @kaia

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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 02:41:41 JST kaia

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     • :thonk:
     @p Python is such a pain to manage too! I'm trying poetry now to make it less so
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     :thonk: (p@raru.re)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 02:45:38 JST :thonk:

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     I find python with pip to not be so complicated
     you just need some sanity!
     for instance
     do not use the system python
     (I build from source)
     and use venvs to separate projects so you don''t pollute them with unnecessary dependencies
     if you want me to elaborate on any of this just ask
     @kaia

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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 02:47:09 JST kaia

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     @p yeah gotcha. in the AI area everything is a different version of 25GB pytorch etc, so if you are running AI image generation, llama, text generation, you fill 200GB just with the same software in different version :sad:
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     yew (yew@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 02:50:43 JST yew

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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 02:50:43 JST kaia

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     • yew
     @yew I'm annoyed at AUR being versions behind and main repos being very far behind the actual software. so when you have any issue, the developers will point out that it's your fault for running such antique versions.
     
     and then there's e.g. Obsidian that recommends their AppImage which they update for you. it's a much nicer experience tbh. I feel taken care of. I want that.
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     yew (yew@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 02:53:33 JST yew

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     @kaia@brotka.st i stopped using meme distros for that reason :hehe:

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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 02:53:59 JST kaia

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     • yew
     @yew but others are even further behind? what do you use?
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     yew (yew@misskey.bubbletea.dev)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 03:01:22 JST yew

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     @kaia@brotka.st oh it's proprietary no wonder it's not in the main repos :3

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     RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Sunday, 14-Sep-2025 03:08:00 JST RedTechEngineer

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     @kaia everyone is too busy trying to push some new scheme than recognizing that this is the most sensible solution.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 15-Sep-2025 06:22:03 JST snacks

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     @kaia what about using a sane distro and its packages?
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     kaia (kaia@brotka.st)'s status on Monday, 15-Sep-2025 06:22:56 JST kaia

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     • snacks
     @snacks like what? :peek:
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 15-Sep-2025 06:24:03 JST snacks

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     @kaia opensuse, void was pretty up to date too iirc
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     Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Monday, 15-Sep-2025 06:24:07 JST Johnny Peligro

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     • Aroop Roelofs
     • Kevin Neely :donor:
     @ktneely @finlaydag33k @kaia yea i went back to arch with as one of the reasons