@sickburnbro you're projecting bravery and nobility into something that, before the shot, had near zero risk. He died for nothing and was never willing to die for any cause
@VikingWays@sickburnbro Do you understand this never happened before to some dumb center right speaker? He never thought this could happen, thus he wasn't brave or a martyr
@CenturianFrend@MechaSilvio@sickburnbro Resist any manipulation tactics from (((Dissident Right-Wingers))) who want to patrol anybody showing empathy for two White Children who are now fatherless despite having no power to affect their father's Zionism.
@sickburnbro@CenturianFrend@MechaSilvio I'm not ready to say "CHARLIE KIRK GOT AIRHOLE'D, FUCK YEAH!" because I think the identity and the motivation of the shooter are critical here.
Sorry nigger I cant just firebomb the local pride parade because I have to stay gainfully employed and present in my daughters lives so they dont do drugs, fuck niggers, and actually create White people instead of semen filled tissues.
Having a wife and child make it really hard to go outside the lines yet every terminally online single childless faggot seems to want them to do all the heavy lifting even though they are the ones with nothing to loose and everything to gain.
@Dudebro@CenturianFrend@MechaSilvio@haberdasher bro, I .. don't know if it's worth the tradeoff. Obviously you do what you need to, but if there are blacks in that school, the torture they can inflict can be immense.
@Dudebro@MechaSilvio@haberdasher@sickburnbro I have to figure out how to make enough to keep the wife home before i have to send my kids into the city school. it's the faggot teachers and the pride shit i mostly worry about right now
Yeah our principle knows ill pull those fuckers faster than we did from iraq and they are the top test takers so they will loose a fuckton. also that im willing to sue them if shit gets silly.
Its fun telling my kids the disruptive kids in class either are brown or have single mothers. inb4 why in public school because being race blind is caused by not interacting with them.
@Amalek_Respector that's part of what makes it more poignant - he wasn't explicitly not trying to be someone that would take a bullet, and he was trying to take a moderate path.
If Rousseau got shot it would be horrible, but he wouldn't be a martyr, because he on purposes puts himself in dangerous situations.
@sickburnbro I sympathize to some extent, but he wasn't really that "guy" that people will organize to take a bullet for.
We already have those guys: Aarvoll, Thomas Sewell, Thomas Rousseau, Mark Collett, Jeremy Mckenzie, the NRM guys etc.
You can use this to spring board your message but always remain loyal to your own group and don't sacrifice consistency for clout. Kirk wasn't a real organizer and leader of men, he was more of a professional talker and entertainer than anything.
@pepsi_man@sickburnbro I'm still waiting for a suspect to be apprehended before jumping to those conclusions. We all think political violence escalation is the most likely, but is this organized or a deranged tranny/boomer?
@sickburnbro I see what you mean but I don't think he was on the same path tbh. I don't think he was an actual racist or a racial nationalist. The GOP has pretty much no issues with White replacement as a policy.
My point is in the eyes or the normie fox news watcher, he wasn't an avatar of white nationalism. So if you want to recruit those people, its gonna have to be something else like Christian nationalism or something much softer. Don't go racial all in, they will reject you.
@MoralPanic@sickburnbro@haberdasher@MechaSilvio Charlie was. happened in a White state. We bring kids into it because there are two small children who are now fatherless. And because we're White, with a decently high IQ, we can see ourselves in that position.
This isn't a hard concept. Like are you fucking brown or something?
@sickburnbro Rosseau is very implicitly white nationalist, its almost obvious that he is one. Only Whites can join PF, he quotes the founders and only considers Whites heritage Americans. Rosseau also opposes race-mixing, Church over state and foreign entanglements.
Kirk has no opposition to race mixing or recruiting nons in his org. He was a Christian first and foremost and thus race was never his primary or even secondary concern (primary is Israel, secondary is the values of America). He was a principled classical liberal who only started talking about race once the audience changed.
@MechaSilvio@CenturianFrend@haberdasher@sickburnbro did he show any empathy for the people on patriot front? Actual based people never have gotten any sympathy and I'm pretty sure that many more white families were destroyed by the regime Kirk shilled for. You don't act like a gentleman with demons.
@Amalek_Respector No, you're misunderstanding. Their labels very much matter. It doesn't matter if a label is incorrect to you - if another group of people uses it and successfully passes information, it matters.
@sickburnbro Their labels don't really matter imo. They call Jews nazis and we know that's inaccurate too. You have to be more careful whom you pick and chose to work with. The GOP is not it imo.
@sickburnbro They matter to you why ? I reject the notion they get to frame the conversation in the first place. They can call me pedophile, doesn't mean i'm gonna join NAMBLA.
They're calling MAGA the Epstein cover up party, does that mean in fact MAGA is covering up for Epstein ? obviously not
If you let retarded people develop all your categories for you, your worldview will be non-coherent
@Amalek_Respector Understanding how your enemies use labels doesn't mean letting them set a frame on you. But when they call Kirk a Nazi - that doesn't mean they actually believe he knows german and is a time traveler from 1933. That means they are saying he is the enemy and any action against him is sanctioned.
@sickburnbro Although yes, the label is just a proxy for friend/enemy distinction, but even among themselves they know the difference between Christian conservatism vs genuine national socialism. One is an existential threat, the other is just a paper tiger. The left is by and large much more tolerant of someone like Kirk than Handsome Truth for eg. You will never see them invite HT to paid gigs e.g.
@sickburnbro In this case, national socialism. Christian nationalism is very much compatible with liberal democracy and has been for quite a while, especially the protestant sects.
NatSocs are also the only group in history who made their life's mission to engage in kinetic street fights with communists and other non racialist groups.
@Amalek_Respector You say this, but we are talking about this because Kirk was just killed on camera. You don't usually do that to people you don't consider a threat.
@Amalek_Respector@sickburnbro There can be allowance for the fact that Kirk was deeply wrong about a lot of shit while also saying he didn't deserve this
@Robert_Edwardly@Amalek_Respector@sickburnbro Most average conservatives are only dimly aware of what is going on, yes, but you don't get to be a major personality on either side of the political divide without ramming head first into jewish power.
Kirk knew this and chose to prefer jews and Israel over his own people. He's said before that America is just an idea, but Israel and the jews must be protected at all costs. I'd consider that to be treason more or less.
Again, and as I have argued all today, his assassination was a terrible thing as he was killed not for being a Zionist shill but because he was a White man. If there are not serious consequences for this assassination, the left will kill more White people. That is a bad thing, even though I dislike Kirk and believe he was working against the interest of Whites.
@Amalek_Respector@Robert_Edwardly@sickburnbro Personally I am not sad that he's gone and think he got what was coming to him for being a gatekeeper and a prostitute for jews while at the same time still being concerned that this assassination will lead to people I actually do support and care about getting killed in the future.
I feel sympathy for Kirk's family, especially his children, but Kirk knew what he was getting into when he threw his support behind the heebs.
@occasionalbangers@Amalek_Respector@Robert_Edwardly Yes, he said a lot of dumb shit, that's why no-one cared what he said. To get anywhere in public conservative stuff prior to 2016 especially, you had to sell a good bit of your soul.
The question ultimately is did he have any left? You can go look at his twitter feed right now and answer that to your own satisfaction.
@occasionalbangers@Robert_Edwardly@sickburnbro I respect that position. In truth I didn't take him seriously at all, I viewed him more like a pure entertainer than a serious activist. He was not a threat really, and more of a lolcow in some aspects tbh. And Yes I feel bad for his kids especially.
@Amalek_Respector@Robert_Edwardly@sickburnbro I agree with what you said earlier about feeling worse for Iryna and I feel the same way about Kirk's kids. But I believe Kirk was a serious subversive gatekeeper, not the most dangerous one by any means, but a subversive gatekeeper nonetheless. I'll have to dig up the speech he gave saying America is just an idea.
@sickburnbro@occasionalbangers@Robert_Edwardly There's plenty of pro-white presenting zionists. Even Ben shapiro was saying free Derek Chauvin not too long ago (an ostensible "pro-white" position).
To me its all about pro-white in action and policy over rhetoric. You can call yourself pro-white all day, but if you pick religion, being pro race-mixing and careerism over race every day in your life I just don't believe you.
That said some have been saying he was killed because he was beginning to turn against the jews so perhaps there is something to that. I just know that from what I have seen and heard of Kirk, he's maintained America is just an idea, has attacked White Nationalism, yet has made defending jews and Israel his priority.
@Robert_Edwardly@occasionalbangers@sickburnbro That's the other thing. I don't think he actually believed in anything. I think he was just an actor playing his role trying to entertain and appeal to his aduience.
No offense for the dead, but he wasn't someone I would say was too bright and really thought about things on a deep level. Just a paid shill doing what his masters told him.
@occasionalbangers@sickburnbro@Amalek_Respector If Kirk deserved to die for saying tons of shit like this, what did he deserve for all the times he went "off script" (supposedly) and said true, or even non-zionist things? Does that just not count? Do we find out which type of statement was over fifty one percent then ghoul out if it was the wrong kind?
@sickburnbro@MechaSilvio@pepsi_man Doesn't have the MO of "deranged trannies" we've seen to date, like the school shooters, the Ziz cult, or the couple of Antifa ambushes on ICE types.
Only one shot, which screws up direction finding because the first sound people hear is from the shock wave of the supersonic bullet, at an angle from the shooter. The more sane he his, the more likely he went for center of mass and mental pressure threw off his aim. Or at maybe two hundred yards, like at Butler, went for the fancy head shot, but here was close enough.
But in any case, a good enough moderate range shot.
Made a clean escape from the scene and if the authorities have a clue, they're in Beltway Sniper mode, not sharing the info with us for help in finding him (and you can be sure a lot of the FBI is like in that incident looking for right wing men in a panel truck or the like). But it's a bit early, and they did eventually with the healthcare CEO shooter.
So far, just doesn't come across as super-deranged as these murderous trannies are. Although I suppose Ziz did manager to fly under the radar for way too long....
@sickburnbro@ThatWouldBeTelling@MechaSilvio@pepsi_man Purely for his sake, I hope he doesn't use public McDonald's WiFi near an underpaid snitch who will never receive government reward money. Boy, would THAT be awkward!
@DEERBLOOD@Amalek_Respector@Robert_Edwardly@occasionalbangers@sickburnbro Clearly not the case. Maybe back then, but certainly not recently. He held an emergency meeting to discuss with chapter leadership how best to deal with the issue of Israel without alienating the jews that poured money into TPUSA.
@sickburnbro@Robert_Edwardly@farmandfamily@Amalek_Respector@occasionalbangers Lincoln also went to war with the South because they didn't want to have tariffs on their trade with Europe and that was the federal govt's only income stream at the time. It was them stopping tariff enforcement that started the whole war.
@Amalek_Respector This isn't a school shooting though - that's an unfocused rage. This was a targeted shooting of what seems to be 1 round against one person where the perp fled.
@sickburnbro As mentioned several times already, I don't think this was political in nature or because he was a threat. I think this was pure nihilism and done for pure ego reasons by some mentally ill shit stain who probably doesn't even have any consistent beliefs. That's the trend with many school shooters.
I could be wrong though, but we don't have enough evidence at this point