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   snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 21:54:49 JST snacks
   How big are switch games even? With modern ~100gb games the cartridge is prob half the 80 bucks price tag
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:03:32 JST 翠星石

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     @snacks Probably huge, as why bother optimizing when there's all this cartridge space available?
     
     100GB of flash memory at scale doesn't cost very much - you can get a 128GB microsd card for 17.99 USD (although such flash is slow garbage and at that price point there are many fakes) - I suspect a 100 GB cartridge will cost ~12USD per unit at quality, as well you can flash with poor endurance, as it needs to be flashed once or twice?
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:06:20 JST snacks

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     @Suiseiseki i'm not sure if game updates get put on the cartridge or console, but moat games need a lot of updates nowadays. I'd also imagine nintendo charges a decent premium for the privilege of using the cartridges
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:24:44 JST 翠星石

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     @snacks It looks like game updates go onto the console's internal storage or the microsd card, as I don't see any partition for game updates in the cartridge filesystem; https://switchbrew.org/wiki/XCI
     
     Custom flash memory with a TSOP-48 footprint is used - maybe it could be EEPROM - but even PROM would work; https://switchbrew.org/wiki/Cartridge
     
     It seems there is no write-enable pin and therefore writing is not possible; https://switchbrew.org/wiki/Cartridge#Pinout
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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:34:51 JST EmoDagda

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     @snacks @Suiseiseki
     cartriges are read-only, all updates and dlc get stored in system memory or SD cards.
     For your first question I know that 64 GB is the top end in storage for retail copies, but there's also smaller ones.
     For Switch 2 I got no idea, there's only 1 non-nintendo physical game anyway (at least even nintendoddlers don't seem to buy the decryption handshake cards and third parties are slowly getting the message). The SD Exress cards arguably are not that cheap, which probably contributed to the game-keycard scam
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:44:03 JST snacks

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     @sally isn't cyberpunk on the switch? Or switch 2 or we
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:44:04 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     Never seen one that takes more than 20GiB.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:47:28 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     Switch and Switch 2 are two different beasts entirely.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:48:33 JST snacks

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     @sally pretty sure witcher 3 is also over 20gb unless they packaged super downscaled textures
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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:49:22 JST EmoDagda

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     @snacks @sally they are super downscaled :fisheyes:
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:49:54 JST snacks

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     @dagda @sally what about skyrim, surely that uses the hd textures?
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:50:39 JST snacks

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     @dagda @sally nvm, skyrim se is only 12gb, wtf
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:52:24 JST snacks

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     @dagda @sally my perspective on skyrims size is a bit warped because mods ig
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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:52:25 JST EmoDagda

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     @snacks @sally skyrim is a gen 7 game that only failed technically on PS3/360 because Todd is a retard
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:57:10 JST snacks

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     • EmoDagda
     @sally @dagda didnt have issues installing it with some lutris script tnh
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:57:12 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @dagda @snacks
     
     Skyrim is a technical aberration that failed all the time no matter the platform. Skyrim is one of the very few games that gave me the worst headaches to get working on Wine, because of all this dotNEET and such proprietary dependency degeneracy, and even then the audio decoder never worked, not even they know what decoding libraries this shit uses and why it's not shipped with the game copy itself.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:58:08 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @nuukaset @dagda @snacks
     
     Yeah, at least OpenMW just works, on top of having better AI and light shaders than even Skyrim and Fallout 4.
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     nuukaset (nuukaset@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:58:09 JST nuukaset

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     @sally @dagda @snacks trve now lets just play morrowind instead!
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:59:20 JST snacks

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     @sally @dagda not sure, prob the first one here https://lutris.net/games/the-elder-scrolls-v-skyrim-special-edition/
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 22:59:21 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @snacks @dagda
     
     What script?
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:00:12 JST snacks

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     @nuukaset @sally @dagda morrowind is cheating! it has a proper engine now
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:10:43 JST snacks

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     • EmoDagda
     @sally @dagda sorry i didnt make it harder on myself :apensive:
     alo, what would you call the lutris sthingies if not scripts?
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:10:45 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @snacks @dagda
     
     Of course this shit will just work if you install it through Steam, go ahead and do the same without that cancer in the way like I did, see how well it goes for you.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:10:46 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @snacks @dagda
     
     Why I'm not surprised that you'd call this shit a "script"?
     These Lutris retards keep claiming this platform is aimed at game preservation then proceed to tell you to get a copy on Steam or GOG or else forget about an automated process.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:14:30 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @snacks @dagda
     
     Two lines of plain text, because that's all this is: https://lutris.net/games/install/11935/view
     
     Steam is the thing doing the heavy lifting, they might as well just tell you to go ahead and click "install" on Steam instead.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:14:54 JST snacks

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     • EmoDagda
     @sally @dagda actually realized that im retarded. I used some lutris installer for mod organizer since i need that shit
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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:16:15 JST EmoDagda

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     @sally @snacks
     >see Lutris installation script
     >look inside
     >steam CLI instruction "just download the vanilla game please"
     look inside cat
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:17:26 JST snacks

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     • EmoDagda
     @sally @dagda and now it has become a super popular mod organizer for all kinds of games that dont have a proper one built in
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:17:28 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @snacks @dagda
     
     That program is abysmal dogshit, everything involving this game is just an exercise on misery. Also no GNU+Linux version because of course it wouldn't.
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:18:11 JST snacks

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     @sally @dagda but does make me miss the ffxiv launcher that actually works and has a linux version
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:19:31 JST snacks

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     @dagda @sally its also used for monster hunter iirc
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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:19:34 JST EmoDagda

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     @snacks @sally
     so much effort just to de-westernize games :boobs:
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     EmoDagda (dagda@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:20:22 JST EmoDagda

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     @snacks @sally there hasn't been a monster hunter game since double cross
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 01-Sep-2025 23:29:21 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @dagda @snacks
     
     Then there's western games that are the exception and do everything right like Baldur's Gate 3, where you install mods from inside the game like you should.
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     @sally @dagda i still download most mods externally but the loader seems actually decent, not like cyberounk where they have an official api that breaks on every update
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     snacks (snacks@netzsphaere.xyz)'s status on Tuesday, 02-Sep-2025 00:32:28 JST snacks

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     @sally @dagda so baldurs gate is bad afterall?
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     @snacks @dagda
     
     If a game needs regular updates then that game is definitely not good.