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   romwhite (romwhite@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 16:54:10 JST romwhite

   А что если бы Emacs сделали на электроне? С беспроблемным отображением картинок в org-mode, браузером, плавной кинетической прокруткой, нормальной работой на мобильных устройствах? Такой vscode + elisp? Хочешь превращай его в IDE, хочешь в Obsidian. Да, расход ресурсов был бы больше, всякие Thinkpad T61 остались за бортом, но принципиально ли это? Кажись, только браузер в наших реалиях может отображать текст так, как нужно в современных реалиях. #emacs

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     tusharhero (tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 16:54:03 JST tusharhero

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     • Ramin Honary

     @romwhite @ramin_hal9001 you suggested Electron specifically, how are we supposed to read your mind?

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     romwhite (romwhite@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 16:54:05 JST romwhite

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     • tusharhero

     @ramin_hal9001 @tusharhero When a newbie like me says, “Let’s rewrite Emacs with Electron!” it usually doesn’t mean the exact technology. It’s about the desire to live in a better world where we take the best from the past and make it even better.

     Why can’t I have crisp font rendering and silky-smooth scrolling with Emacs on my handheld device, along with synchronization across all my gadgets? But alas, I can’t. The “better world” remains utopian for many reasons.

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     Ramin Honary (ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 16:54:07 JST Ramin Honary

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     @romwhite I am not opposed to Emacs running on Electron, and I think Emacs being written in JavaScript is an interesting project.

     But I would personally never do it because web apps are currently controlled by an oligopoly of very large corporations which, firstly, are all mostly based in the United States. So you really cannot trust WebKit, Gecko, or Blink to run any software, they are all spyware. Running Emacs on a web engine is sort of like running Emacs on Windows or Mac OS: it gives you the advantage of the Emacs platform and UX, but doesn’t protect your privacy.

     If you could write the JavaScript Emacs such that it runs on the NetSurf browser I think that would be extremely useful.

     But then, you could just contribute to one of the other Emacs revival projects like Guile-Emacs, Schemacs, REmacs, or Lem.

     Lem is written in Common Lisp, and has a web front-end too!

     @tusharhero I agree that a widget toolkit, would be the most useful addition to Emacs. Even just a “canvas” element with an API for drawing and updating parts of the canvas, would be extremely helpful.

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     romwhite (romwhite@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 16:54:08 JST romwhite

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     • tusharhero

     @tusharhero @ramin_hal9001 Yes, indeed, I’ve read that article. I tried to find it but failed. It’s brilliantly written, there’s no point in arguing.

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     romwhite (romwhite@mastodon.social)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 16:54:09 JST romwhite

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     @tusharhero I understantd that this is heresy for which one is excommunicated from th Emacs church. But it’s disappointing if all this hacker elisp cultural heritage becomes increasingly niche due to the refusal to adopt problematic and incongruous solutions that meet modern realities. Electron might not be the best option, but the current state of affairs can hardly be called crystallized for eternity.

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     tusharhero (tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 16:54:09 JST tusharhero

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     • Ramin Honary

     @romwhite Please stop, we do not need to make Emacs on top of Electron, that would be too much work for little gain, and no one is actually going to do it anyway.

     What Emacs needs is it's own GUI toolkit (like it does for the TUI). See, https://appetrosyan.github.io/posts/emacs-widget/. There have been many other articles about such an idea from the past.

     There are also *two* different Guile Emacs projects, (one of which is the newer Schemacs by @ramin_hal9001 ).

     I think these projects are more realistic.

     Repent by typing every command on Emacs (scripting is not allowed according to the mainline doctrine).

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     tusharhero (tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 16:54:10 JST tusharhero

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     @romwhite Emacs wouldn't be built on Electron because Electron didn't come about in the 1980s. And we don't need electron tobachieve what you are talking about, please stop saying such sacrilegious things.

     There is a Emacs inspired web browser though, it is called Nyxt.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 17:01:51 JST 翠星石

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     @ramin_hal9001 @romwhite @tusharhero Electron is proprietary software, thus doing such port would be an insult to Emacs.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 17:03:11 JST 翠星石

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     @Zergling_man @ramin_hal9001 @romwhite @tusharhero I'm not even autistic and I understand that when someone writes "Electron", they can only possibly mean electron - if they didn't, why didn't they write something like; "web technologies (for example electron)"?
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     Zergling_man (zergling_man@sacred.harpy.faith)'s status on Friday, 04-Jul-2025 17:03:12 JST Zergling_man

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     @romwhite @tusharhero @ramin_hal9001 >When a newbie like me says, “Let’s rewrite Emacs with Electron!” it usually doesn’t mean the exact technology.
     
     You're not autistic enough for this place, go back to twitter