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i really can't stand the anti-children sentiment on the internet.
preventing children from accessing the internet or "social media" does not protect children.
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@tusooa the children being unsupervised and uneducated is the problem. It's a parenting and/or education problem.
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@hj @tusooa There is also the problem of how social media operates, how it hijacks our minds especially with algos getting involved.
Having children on social media also changes things. Or they get exposed to all sorts of things that they aren't ready for because their brains are still developing. If they have social media, it is better for them to have their own ones with other children. Let adults speak to adults without having to worry that children might be reading their content or having to cater to that.
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@tusooa @sim in that regards internet is one big train station where everyone is shouting and you somehow can hear everyone clearly. Drunks shouting profanities, scammers ripping people off, couples flirting, kissing (and possibly fucking too) and talking dirty to each other, prostitutes, teachers, criminals, preachers, perverts - everyone is plain sight, shouting and somehow there's no cacophony. For a child nowadays usually there is no parent around to explain things and help pick apart good from bad. Either parents or schools have to teach their children how to use internet, what to avoid and take action if needed since constant supervision is impossible. However somehow nowadays parents are so retarded themselves they have no capacity to teach, and I don't know what schools are doing nowadays.
Government solution is age restriction with verification - comes with free surveillance - irresistable offer!
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@sim @hj in terms of functionality, i don't think "social media" is essentially different from a great grand café, public square, or park. people meet each other, talk to each other, or by themselves watch other people. it's public space; it's everyone's space. the only difference is size and way of transmitting information. to say that children should not be on social media is not essentially different from saying that they should not go to the park to play with friends or just watch seniors playing chess.
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@hj i agree it's education problem. just pointing out banning children from certain places is not the right solution, and not even the right direction. as someone who suffered from tremendous bullying and lack of support in "real life" in childhood, i cannot imagine how much harder my life would have been if i was not allowed to access the forums, irc and other online communities when i was in primary school/middle school.
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@tusooa @hj @sim Well it does depends a bit if you define social media (vs. social network) as like television/radio/newspaper acting as a social network.
Like Facebook/Twitter/… are a lot closer to say the forum of a big corporate news channels than small forums are.
And to me it's an education problem similar to say having kids all day in front of the television.
And often reminds me of the horror of senator-old people in front of television/facebook all day.
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@hj @sim what you say do make sense. safety education, that's definitely needed. and also, if bad things happen, then it is already a problem itself! "children being able to see them" is a symptom -- and not allowing children to see them does not make the problems magically disappear. we know there are bad things, and what is needed is to prepare children on how to act towards these -- not masking children and telling them that the bad does not exist.
> Government solution is age restriction with verification - comes with free surveillance - irresistable offer!
and a lot of people buy it -- to me that's really the sad part.
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@tusooa @sim adult toys shops and sex workers exist but not necessarily bad and it might be difficult to explain it to children as well for them to understand. I got sex ed quite early in my life by my mom, I hear in america they have sex ed at school but IMO way too late. On top of that distinction between bad/good varies between "tribes" (families/religions/etc) as well as opinion on how to educate their children.
I agree with the sad part, it's fucking awful.
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@tusooa @hj @sim And sometimes it's quite ridiculous, like one of my aunts works for a public library, and they're pretty much always getting big budget cuts.
And that's the kind of space where children can chill in.
Similarly I wouldn't be surprised that youth centers are also getting nasty budget cuts, outside of maybe something like the Football Club because that kind creates good publicity.
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@hj @sim well, yeah, sex is a topic that's tricky, i would say. it's probably harmful for children to have sex with other people, but it is still important for schools to include education on sexual knowledge, and e.g. masturbation (i would say that i did it since kindergarten, but without realizing what it is, until middle school.), how to have safe sex, what is sexual harassment and what to do if you encounter one, etc. while i was in middle school, i got taught some very shallow topics on puberty, but that's it. when i entered university, i met a student group who does sex ed to frosh and to high school seniors. still very basic, but it's better than nothing.
given that sex is still a "forbidden" topic in so many societies, i doubt there will be a lot of progress in the near future. i hope there will be, though. and again simply imposing an age limit on sexual materials does not help children become prepared for sexual stuff they might encounter either now or in the future -- only proper education will do.
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@hakui @tusooa @sim train train i love my station
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@hj @tusooa @sim >one big train station
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