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   lproven (lproven@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jun-2025 08:36:01 JST lproven

   • The Register

   Forked-off Xlibre tells Wayland display protocol to DEI in a fire

   https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/10/xlibre_new_xorg_fork/

   Project to modernize the X.org X11 server seems to actively court controversy

   <- by me on @theregister

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jun-2025 08:35:53 JST feld

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     • WILLIAM B PECKHAM
     @wpeckham @lproven @theregister there is a way out of this mess: Arcan, which supports Wayland and X11 protocols, network transparency, yadda yadda
     
     seems like it's still basically a one man project at this point though
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     lproven (lproven@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jun-2025 08:35:59 JST lproven

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     @wpeckham @theregister

     As I always keep having to remind Linux and Wayland zealots, and they hate it...

     > the support team for x.org and the support team for Wayland are the same guys

     There is more to Unix than Linux. There is more to X11 than Linux or even than X.org.

     What you are claiming is not true. There are more people working in this area than just some grumpy Red Hatters.

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     WILLIAM B PECKHAM (wpeckham@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jun-2025 08:35:59 JST WILLIAM B PECKHAM

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     @lproven @theregister I think it great that someone wants to spin of an X and work on a better version that is not Wayland. I doubt that will be terribly significant, but more options can be a very good thing. https://www.osnews.com/story/138565/the-state-of-x-org-and-wayland-in-one-paragraph/

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     WILLIAM B PECKHAM (wpeckham@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Wednesday, 11-Jun-2025 08:36:00 JST WILLIAM B PECKHAM

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     @lproven @theregister In the first place, the support team for x.org and the support team for Wayland are the same guys. It is just one team! In the second place, while there are implementation differences and huge code differences, the basic protocol is the same. They even use exactly the same low-level drivers. In writing Wayland they just want to do it in a more correct and simplified and discreet way that is more secure and easier to maintain. Make no mistake, they are currently maintaining both. It's not like either one is going to fall behind anytime soon.

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     lproven (lproven@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 12-Jun-2025 00:41:30 JST lproven

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     • WILLIAM B PECKHAM

     @feld @theregister @wpeckham I find it a little tricky to get through Bjorn's style of explanations, but the Arcan project is the single most exciting and interesting thing happening in xNix display server tech at the moment. 😁

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     Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮 (gamingonlinux@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 17:54:09 JST Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮

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     • Jordan Petridis

     @lproven @alatiera @theregister Respectfully, this was a really twatty thing to write

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     Jordan Petridis (alatiera@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 17:54:10 JST Jordan Petridis

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     @lproven @theregister Not only is accessibility the only real blocker mentioned in the gnome-session MRs but I also mentioned this in the blogpost you linked.

     Yet you don't even give a shit and decide to make up your own horseshit that none of us cares about accessibility at all.

     https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-session/-/merge_requests/99#note_1867026

     and

     https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-session/-/merge_requests/98#note_1907233

     Here is a direct and accessible link cause clearly you can't be bothered.

     I will expect to be paid for doing your work and being dragged through the mud.

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     lproven (lproven@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 17:54:10 JST lproven

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     @alatiera @theregister I don't know what you're on about, but once you calm down, you can email me and *EXPLAIN* what you mean.

     But if you continue with social-media name-calling, then I'm just going to ignore you or maybe block you if you go any more ad-hom.

     It's fine; I'm talking with Steven Deobald about a11y issues, and he's actually responding like an adult, rather than swearing and telling me I make stuff up.

     Not amused.

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     Jordan Petridis (alatiera@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 17:54:11 JST Jordan Petridis

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     @lproven @theregister I am sorry but the last paragraph about accessibility is complete and utter bullshit. Jesus fucking Christ.

     I don't know what's worse, giving the metux more attention or not having a clue what you write about.

     There isn't any " remarkable levels of anti-X11 sentiment from Wayland proponents since the announcement" either. Your perception of reality is so wrapped its basically an Ouroboros by now.

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     lproven (lproven@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 20:15:42 JST lproven

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     @gamingonlinux @alatiera @theregister

     I _strongly_ disagree.

     Anything that hinders accessibility, removes or disables assistive tech, and so excludes people with disabilities is much, _much_ worse.

     I deplore anything that does that, whatever the intentions. Even if the plan is to put it back later, that's not good enough.

     Always remember the philosophy of Kaizen: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizen

     Continual advancement by small changes, _never going backwards_.

     It is my _duty_ as a reporter to call this sort of thing out and criticise it.

     It is _fifteen years_ since GNOME 3.0 and today MATE _still_ has better a11y than GNOME.

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     Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮 (gamingonlinux@mastodon.social)'s status on Thursday, 19-Jun-2025 20:15:42 JST Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮

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     @lproven @alatiera @theregister All you're doing is using a wide brush to put down developers in a really antagonising way, and you've already been shown by people actually working on it how you're framing it is just wrong.

     It doesn't make you look good.