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ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 01:57:06 JST 
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I love my computer, running the linux operating system - Johnny Peligro likes this.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 01:57:05 JST 
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@romin If you happen to run a proprietary version of the kernel, Linux, it's hard to say that it's your computer.
Try installing just Linux and see how well that operates - you'll soon realize why Linux is not an operating system.Johnny Peligro repeated this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:08:26 JST
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@romin Skill issue on your part.
It's quite easy to boot just Linux to see how well it goes (although the text output is being displayed with GNU);
`qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -display curses -kernel /boot/vmlinuz-6.11.0-gnu` -
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ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:08:27 JST
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@Suiseiseki the linux operating system works well on my pc, seems like a skill issue on your part Phantasm and Johnny Peligro like this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:11:30 JST
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@romin But of course the cult members deny reality no matter how it is demonstrated to them. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:14:56 JST
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@ElDeadKennedy @romin Yes, systemd/Linux will do as an OS, noting that systemd needs GNU to work, so more accurately that would be GNU/systemd/Linux. -
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DulceKennedy (eldeadkennedy@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:14:57 JST
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@romin @Suiseiseki you mean the systemd/Linux operating system? Phantasm likes this. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:15:21 JST
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@romin @Suiseiseki i run linux on my laptop, pretty useful -
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BionicNigga, Raper of Waves 🌊 (bionicnigga@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:21:32 JST 
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@Suiseiseki @romin How is it a cult? “Linux” is just how people who aren’t autistic colloquially refer to operating systems based on that kernel because “gah-noo forward-slash Linucks” is annoying to say and sounds retarded. -
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ロミンちゃん (romin@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:21:32 JST
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@BionicNigga @Suiseiseki you don't need ganoo to run linux Phantasm likes this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:26:54 JST
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@BionicNigga @romin It is a massive cult of personality to give credit to Linus for every single package in existence by referring to it as Linus with the s swapped out with an x to make; "Linux".
It's incredible that people don't even realize that it'll be like demanding that every single software package is existence be called; "Stallmanx"
Linus didn't even want his kernel to be called Linux - he called it "Freax" originally, but the name was changed as soon as possible to get the cult started.
People have been instructed by the cult of personality to repeat such raising up of Linus as a buzzword and unthinkingly do so.
"Linux-based" is a major error, as Linux is not the base - you can swap out Linux for Hurd or the kernel of "Free"BSD, or even window's kernel (https://mikegerwitz.com/2016/04/gnu-kwindows) and not notice much difference, as what you are interfacing with usually is GNU.
“gah-noo forward-slash Linucks” is annoying to say and sounds retarded.
Then say GNU+Linux or LiGNUx or GNU with Linux or just GNU.
"Linux" is pure retardium due to mindless repeating it over and over in reference to software that isn't Linux. -
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DulceKennedy (eldeadkennedy@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:28:00 JST
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@Suiseiseki @romin that is too long. Let's just call it the systemd operating system -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:28:00 JST
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@ElDeadKennedy @romin Fine, as long as it's made clear that GNU and Linux are small parts of that OS. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:30:48 JST
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@romin @BionicNigga Linux does not run without the rest of the OS.
If you want something with acceptable functionality you need GNU, or you can have garbage with BusyBox (relies on GNU), or Android (relies on GNU, despite every attempt to make that not the case). -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:31:55 JST
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@ElDeadKennedy @BionicNigga @romin Freax is a perfectly fine name for a kernel, considering that it would only be mentioned when actually talking about it. -
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DulceKennedy (eldeadkennedy@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:31:56 JST
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@Suiseiseki @BionicNigga @romin >he called it "Freax" originally, but the name was changed as soon as possible to get the cult started.
good tbh freax is a terrible name -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:50:07 JST
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@ElDeadKennedy @freetar @romin Unix™ is a trademark held by the "open group" (which is almost the most proprietary group possible), thus it would be illegal to refer to GNU as "Unix".
(The thing with trademarks is that it's permissible to state that something isn't a trademark, as there is no confusion in that case. -
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DulceKennedy (eldeadkennedy@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:50:08 JST
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@freetar @Suiseiseki @romin Unix, I like that name. Maybe we should call it that -
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GNU Tar (freetar@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:50:09 JST 
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>but that is hard to pronounce
https://www.gnu.org/gnu/pronunciation.html
>and is too short
Then GNU's Not Unix! -
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DulceKennedy (eldeadkennedy@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:50:10 JST
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@freetar @Suiseiseki @romin but that is hard to pronounce, and is too short -
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GNU Tar (freetar@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:50:11 JST
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GNU is shorter. -
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GNU Tar (freetar@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:57:26 JST
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What about calling things by their name?翠星石 likes this. -
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DulceKennedy (eldeadkennedy@shitposter.world)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:57:27 JST
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@freetar @Suiseiseki @romin what about "Nunix" -
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GNU Tar (freetar@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 02:57:28 JST
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No, since GNU is not Unix. -
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þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 05:51:10 JST 
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@mischievoustomato @Suiseiseki @romin l love the linux operating system :transheart: Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 22:57:44 JST
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@BionicNigga @romin >because of a personality cult is completely baseless
Then what on Earth drives so many people to repeat Linux endlessly?
It's also a nice buzzword, but buzzwords only get repeated so often.
>it’s literally just a catchy shorthand for “Linus’ Unix”,
Linus did not write a Unix, never used Unix (he used Minix with some GNU packages) and did not intend to replace Unix.
It was a name decided on for the kernel that Linus and many others developed to use with GNU's Not Unix.
It was GNU that developed a replacement of Unix and it is in fact shorter and more catchy.
>everyone knows what you mean when you say it
The fact that you thought it meant "Linus's Unix" is yet another example that people have no idea what Linux is.
The endless buzzwording means that people think that Linux is an OS and don't realize that Linux is only a kernel.
>plus it’s just a good name
A name that people are confused by is a terrible name.
>No one is giving Linus Torvalds credit for writing every package that ships with Ubuntu Linux,
By adding Linux to the end of Ubuntu to refer to Ubuntu (rather than using it to refer to Ubuntu's configuration of Linux; "Ubuntu Linux"), you are giving Linus Torvalds credit for every package that ships with Ubuntu.
>but it was Linux enthusiasts who put together the first distros such as Softlanding Linux System as a practical way to run this exciting new kernel on their systems when Hurd was vaporware and BSD was proprietary so Linux was the only option
GNU distributed copies of the GNU system long before "Linux enthusiasts" every distributed anything, which pretty much was running GNU with a proprietary kernel.
Running GNU with a proprietary kernel in 1991 was old hat and certainly wasn't a "first".
Linux was just as proprietary as BSD kernels in 1991.
Hurd was booting in early 1992 (before "SLS" was a thing), thus it certainly wasn't vaporware.
"Softlanding Linux System" was not the first GNU/Linux distribution (there were many toy distributions of GNU/Linux made before that have been lost to time).
Yes it was a bad habit even back then to prepare a GNU system that used Linux as the kernel and refer to the whole thing as "Linux" - such "enthusiasts" often refused to work with GNU with anything, as they considered themselves "Linux users", which was quite odd, considering that even BSD developers were willing to work with GNU.
It was only later when Debian GNU/Linux came out and when the Free Software Foundation sponsored was there a actually usable system (which allowed migrating from GNU on a proprietary Unix to GNU/Linux and actually being to run something more than toy programs).
>the fact is that right or wrong, Linux was the new development that generated all the buzz and got people into the free software ecosystem,
It's amazing that you claim something that is not true is a fact.
Buzz does not get you into freedom.
There was no ecosystem - there was a system developed painstakingly by GNU and then came along Linus (and many others) to add the final piece and of course all the credit was given to Linus.
>so its name was stapled onto every distro and that’s what people know the “open source operating system” as.
Despite being the poster child of "open source", Linux is not even source available!
People have been taught wrong and therefore think wrong and of course they wrongly staple the wrong name onto distributions of the GNU system.
>So yes, in a technical sense you can say it’s GNU, but Linux is what everyone calls it and is familiar with and sperging about it online isn’t going to change that.
In reality, GNU is GNU and Linux is Linux and no matter how many people are confused about what Linux is doesn't change reality.
I have informed many people about the existence of GNU and how there is other software like Xorg etc, which is quite an improvement over "it's all Linux". -
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BionicNigga, Raper of Waves 🌊 (bionicnigga@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 22:57:45 JST
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@Suiseiseki @romin Your assertion that it’s called Linux because of a personality cult is completely baseless, it’s literally just a catchy shorthand for “Linus’ Unix”, and everyone knows what you mean when you say it; plus it’s just a good name. No one is giving Linus Torvalds credit for writing every package that ships with Ubuntu Linux, you can claim that but no one actually thinks that or really gives a shit. Your best argument is that it should just be called GNU, but it was Linux enthusiasts who put together the first distros such as Softlanding Linux System as a practical way to run this exciting new kernel on their systems when Hurd was vaporware and BSD was proprietary so Linux was the only option, so while yes you can argue that the goal of this was to have a functioning all-free software desktop GNU system, the fact is that right or wrong, Linux was the new development that generated all the buzz and got people into the free software ecosystem, and so its name was stapled onto every distro and that’s what people know the “open source operating system” as. So yes, in a technical sense you can say it’s GNU, but Linux is what everyone calls it and is familiar with and sperging about it online isn’t going to change that. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 22:58:58 JST
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@RedTechEngineer @pernia @romin @mischievoustomato There is no; "the NT OS".
There is NT 4.0, NT 8.0, NT 8.1, NT 10, NT 11 etc.
NT is actually an OS, while Linux will never be an OS. -
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RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 22:59:00 JST 
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@pernia @Suiseiseki @romin @mischievoustomato the NT operating system -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:01:42 JST
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@Suiseiseki @pernia @RedTechEngineer @romin idk what you're saying man my os is linux -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:05:01 JST
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@mischievoustomato @pernia @RedTechEngineer @romin Prove it.
If Linux is an OS, you'll be able to run just Linux and get a working computer.
For example; `qemu-system-x86_64 -enable-kvm -display curses -kernel /boot/vmlinuz`
Get back to us with the results of that command that runs just Linux won't you? -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:06:35 JST
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@Suiseiseki @pernia @RedTechEngineer @romin idk man i press my laptop's power button and it turns on fine and i know I'm running linux so I don't have to prove anything -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:15:19 JST
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@mischievoustomato @pernia @RedTechEngineer @romin You aren't running Linux, as a proprietary UEFI or BIOS loads first and then Linux loads and then systemd loads, which loads GNU and all the other software.
No matter how hard you gaslight yourself into thinking you run Linux, it doesn't become reality.
When I press the power button on my computers, I am running all GNU. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:22:37 JST
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@Suiseiseki @pernia @RedTechEngineer @romin i just run linux, idk what gnu is, is it a typo for gun? -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:30:26 JST
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@mischievoustomato @pernia @RedTechEngineer @romin -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:44:02 JST
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@RedTechEngineer @pernia @romin @mischievoustomato Did I stutter?
coreboot is proprietary now - you need a free distro like GNUboot if you want to have freedom. -
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RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:44:03 JST
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> as a proprietary UEFI or BIOS loads first
I use coreboot uwu -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:53:06 JST
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@RedTechEngineer @pernia @romin @mischievoustomato Some of it is GPLv2-only, some of it is GPLv2-or-later, some of it is under other free licenses and some of it is proprietary software in object-code only (which is similar to Linux, except Linux supports a lot more proprietary software).
Anything Intel core i series or later requires signed proprietary software to work and all of such coreboot builds are proprietary software.
Previously fully free builds for core 2 duo computers were at least supported, but now they go enable hardware features that rely on proprietary software microcode updates for example. -
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RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:53:07 JST
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@Suiseiseki @pernia @romin @mischievoustomato coreboot is GPLv2 no? -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:53:40 JST
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@RedTechEngineer @mischievoustomato @pernia @romin *except Linux supports, develops and distributes a lot more proprietary software -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Friday, 06-Jun-2025 23:56:55 JST
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@RedTechEngineer @mischievoustomato @pernia @romin Coreboot was originally developed by taking Linux and wondering if a BIOS could be made from the same sources - which succeeded.
The reason why part of it is GPLv-2-only is because a few files from Linux have partially survived, but coreboot is certainly not Linux. -
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Johnny Peligro (mischievoustomato@tsundere.love)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 00:05:23 JST
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@Suiseiseki @pernia @RedTechEngineer @romin is that a homeless man? Phantasm likes this. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 00:15:13 JST
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@RedTechEngineer @pernia @romin @mischievoustomato >Does GNU boot even work on systems from the past decade?
No, as almost all AMD and Intel systems from the past decade are all handcuffed making such support cryptographically impossible.
>Isn't the proprietary firmware needed in recent generations of CPUs?
This is the problem of the "firmware" trap - people are not informed of the different kinds of software.
To init most Intel CPUs since 2009, you need a proprietary program that runs on the Management Engine that init's the CPU and starts code execution.
Once code execution starts, the RAM is not working - you need a RAMinit program that runs in the CPU registers and cache only to carry out RAM training.
Manufacturer RAMinit is always proprietary, although free RAMinit has been developed for Sandy bridge for example - although for recent generations nobody has replaced such and it's part of the proprietary binary from Intel.
The other parts of the hardware also need to be init'd - for example graphics, peripherals and host controllers (SATA, usb etc).
On the latest generations, Intel provides a fat "FSP" blob that contains all of such init software and then calls coreboot (which has nothing to do and thus just loads a payload - which can be tianocore or Grub etc).
AMD for recent CPUs doesn't even provide anything - although they have promised to provide "OpenSIL", but it looks like it'll be all proprietary software similar to what Intel has provided to me.
Previously AMD provided partial sources for AGESA (but made the asshole moves of stripping the comments and not providing the source code of RAMinit was done - but free RAMinit was written and some of the comments re-added), which allowed for the KGPE-D16 & KCMA-D8 to be supported, but not much else.
RISC-V will *not* free us, as every single RISC-V SoC and computer I've seen has been as proprietary as hell with proprietary RAMinit and a proprietary bootloader and with poorly documented, or undocumented and patented additional instructions - plus all of such RISC-V processors are slower than the core 2 Duo, or Core 2 Quad, or Opteron 42XX or Opteron 62XX processors, which already have fully free software init too. -
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RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 00:15:14 JST
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@Suiseiseki @pernia @romin @mischievoustomato sad, but I think that's probably the best I can get with my existing hardware. Does GNU boot even work on systems from the past decade? Isn't the proprietary firmware needed in recent generations of CPUs?
Wish RISC-V would free us ☹️ -
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tusharhero (tusharhero@mathstodon.xyz)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 00:15:29 JST 
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@Suiseiseki @pernia@cum.salon @RedTechEngineer @romin @mischievoustomato I use the GNU operating system myself :)
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 00:16:26 JST
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@RedTechEngineer @pernia @romin @mischievoustomato Yes, it is forced with RSA signatures and Intel managed to finally not stuff up implementing RSA after a few attempts. -
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RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 00:16:27 JST
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@Suiseiseki @mischievoustomato @pernia @romin needed might not be the correct word here. Forced is probably the better term. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 00:25:15 JST
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@RedTechEngineer @mischievoustomato @pernia @romin me_cleaner for core i and later is only possible because intel stuffed up their RSA implementation and it is possible to remove some of the modules without the signature check failing.
On Nehalem & Broadwell, it is possible to leave only the ROMP & BUP modules, but those cannot be replaced due to the RSA signature.
Later, the rbe, kernel, syslib and bup modules are required and cannot be replaced.
It seems the NSA requested the addition of the "HAP" bit that requests that the ME hang after boot, which me_cleaner sets, but who knows?
Sometimes eventually an exploit is found in handcuffing schemes, but usually all that allows for is the disabling of one of the malicious features of the proprietary software - but the proprietary software still runs.
For example there was a "boot guard" (guard boot on your computer) exploit found that allowed bypassing it, but the proprietary software still runs. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 00:54:30 JST
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@RedTechEngineer @pernia @romin @mischievoustomato Raptors POWER9 computers aren't a viable replacement to GNUbooted computers, as they're too expensive (freedom shouldn't be only for those who are so ludicrously rich that 6,000 USD or 10,000 USD is nothing to them) - the price would need to ½ or ¼ or ⅛ or more to make it viable (which could be possible with scale).
The price also makes minor inconveniences like missing ACPI S3 suspend questionable (it's not a cheap computer and it's clearly a profitable business, thus why wasn't the RAMinit finished?).
GNUboot developers are trying to fix the RAMinit on the KGPE-D16 which would allow ACPI S3 suspend to work.
RaptorCS did the original KGPE-D16 & KCMA-D8 ports and some of their POWER9 systems are fully free (they're the only systems with free DDR4 RAMinit), although some models come with an AMD GPU, which run proprietary software (it seems you can just use an integrated ASpeed GPU, which works with free software).
They did make one bad mistake and decide to use a broadcom(!) NIC for their boards, but eventually a free replacement for such software was written, as that NIC wasn't handcuffed.
RaptorCS looked into supporting POWER10, but it can't be used with free software, as DDR5 has proprietary software running on the RAM. -
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RedTechEngineer (redtechengineer@fedi.lowpassfilter.link)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 00:54:31 JST
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@Suiseiseki @pernia @romin @mischievoustomato
Are you familiar with Raptors POWER9 computers? Do you know if they are proper replacements?
I know the main board is RYF certified but I noticed the CPU and the completed systems aren't. -
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BionicNigga, Raper of Waves 🌊 (bionicnigga@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 01:20:28 JST
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 01:20:28 JST
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@BionicNigga @romin >he himself was originally opposed to the name “Linux” because he perceived it as too egoistical
Yes, even Linus realized what a cult of personality "Linux" is.
It is possible for a cult of personality to be formed even if the leader was originally opposed to the praise.
>is just an asinine attempt to generate moral outrage about something that literally no one would care about otherwise.
Moral outrage? I don't see how pointing something out that is occurring is meant to cause an outrage.
>if not Unix, what do you think the X (“requisite” in his words) stands for?
It doesn't stand for anything - it was determined that if you get Linus's name and swap the s with an x, you get a name that ends with an x and by coincidence sounds similar to Unix.
>It’s a Unix-like system ffs
No it is not.
The only 2 similarities between Linux and Unix kernels is that it uses a monolithic design and it is pro
>he was following the tradition of systems like Minix, HP-UX, etc.
No he was not.
The tradition of such systems is that you give the system a name and write the system, including a kernel, but don't give the kernel a particular name, as it's only one piece.
>it’s because they were a completely different camp with their own distinct ideology (open source vs. free software) so it simply wouldn’t make sense for them to fly the banner of a completely different movement.
"open source" did not exist until the attack on free software in 1998 and people considered themselves "Linux users" long before that.
They were using software from an existing movement, but refused to even accept that they were using such software.
>They wanted to build and get things done, not sit around masturbating over licenses and semantics, which is why we still don’t care about freetards to this day—you are autistic.
Building and getting things done would constitute working with GNU to get those things done, rather than refusing to do so.
It wouldn't have been the slightest bit possible to write Linux without GNU.
I was professionally diagnosed not autistic.
>As for confusing names, people understand “Linux” and “open source” just fine
People DO NOT. They are confused.
They think Linux is an OS and they think "open source" means that the source code is publicly available.
>confusing nomenclature is pretty much the FSF’s speciality. “GNU’s not Unix”
There is nothing confusing about a such a statement - GNU is not Unix.
People understand it quite well when you tell them GNU is an OS that was written to replace the proprietary Unix OS.
>“free software” that isn’t necessarily free in the sense most people think of
People may not know what free means, but they immediately understand when you tell them that free means freedom.
>“GIMP”
It's the GNU Image Manipulation Program or GNU IMP.
>how they insist on renaming things like “Secure Boot” as “Restricted Boot”
"Secure Boot" intentionally misleads people into thinking it's about security, but it fact it is about restricting boot, which people do understand.
>“Software as a Service” as “Service as a Software Substitute” (which breaks the acronym)
"SaaS" is not used - it's SaaSS - the former intends to confuse the user, the latter advises the user what is occurring.
>“Digital Restrictions Management” instead of “Digital Rights Management”
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BionicNigga, Raper of Waves 🌊 (bionicnigga@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 01:20:29 JST
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@Suiseiseki @romin Literally nobody in this cares that much about Torvalds, and he himself was originally opposed to the name “Linux” because he perceived it as too egoistical, yet you ignore that because it doesn’t fit your narrative. Your claim that it’s a matter of personality is just an asinine attempt to generate moral outrage about something that literally no one would care about otherwise. And if not Unix, what do you think the X (“requisite” in his words) stands for? It’s a Unix-like system ffs, he was following the tradition of systems like Minix, HP-UX, etc. As for Linux enthusiasts calling it that and not collaborating with the GNU community, it’s because they were a completely different camp with their own distinct ideology (open source vs. free software) so it simply wouldn’t make sense for them to fly the banner of a completely different movement. They wanted to build and get things done, not sit around masturbating over licenses and semantics, which is why we still don’t care about freetards to this day—you are autistic.
As for confusing names, people understand “Linux” and “open source” just fine, while terrible and confusing nomenclature is pretty much the FSF’s speciality. “GNU’s not Unix”, “free software” that isn’t necessarily free in the sense most people think of, “GIMP” (lmao), or how they insist on renaming things like “Secure Boot” as “Restricted Boot”, “Software as a Service” as “Service as a Software Substitute” (which breaks the acronym), “Digital Restrictions Management” instead of “Digital Rights Management”, or most asinine that article you linked calling the Windows Subsystem for Linux “GNU/kWindows” as if you can just unilaterally rename something someone else made; all of which are just annoying and pedantic propaganda and get in the way of actual communication. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 01:22:31 JST
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@BionicNigga @romin >calling the Windows Subsystem for Linux “GNU/kWindows” as if you can just unilaterally rename something someone else made
With "WSL1", microsoft has taken GNU, which they didn't make and renamed it to "Linux" (but that's okay, as your master did it).
"WSL1" doesn't contain a single byte of Linux, which you would have realized if you had read the article.
It's amazing you are okay with renaming GNU to "Linux", but complain when I say to call GNU, GNU and call Linux, Linux, without renaming them.
>all of which are just annoying and pedantic propaganda and get in the way of actual communication.
What is propaganda is claiming that it is acceptable for things that are not Linux be called Linux.
If you are going to communicate, effective communication requires not confusing the hell out of others and giving them the wrong idea. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 01:50:05 JST
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@BionicNigga @romin >There is a far greater cult of personality around Richard Stallmann than there is around Linus.
If that was true, then all the software would be named; "Stallmanx" or "Stallmax".
>Calling Linus’ kernel for a Unix-like operating environment “Linux” does not constitute a fucking cult
It's not Linus's kernel (thousands of people have worked on it) and it can only function in the environment of a complete OS (GNU) - making an error over and over and over and over because it raises up "dear leader" does constitute a cult of personality.
It wouldn't constitute a cult of personality to just refer to Linux as Linux.
>the X obviously implies association with Unix
It's a mistaken implication, as Linux has no association with Unix - there only 2 similarities which I have pointed out.
>open source grew from Linux subculture, quit being pedantic.
It came from a proprietary culture that was about more functional software, faster, no matter the proprietary consequences, that happened to have some people that also were "fans of Linux"; http://catb.org/~esr/open-source.html
>The fact that “free software” has an existing connotation that has to be explained away every time you say it makes it a bad term
It needs to be explained only once and people don't make the same mistake again.
You can say libre software or unfettered software if you are too afraid to say that free means freedom.
"open source" has an existing connotation that cannot be explained away without a long explanation.
>I don’t dispute that those things like DRM for instance are bad, just making up your own condescending name for something you don’t like is childish.
What is childish is obeying the proprietary masters by doing what they want, as "everything not professional is childish".
>Problem?
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@Suiseiseki @romin There is a far greater cult of personality around Richard Stallmann than there is around Linus. Calling Linus’ kernel for a Unix-like operating environment “Linux” does not constitute a fucking cult, and the X obviously implies association with Unix. And open source grew from Linux subculture, quit being pedantic. The fact that “free software” has an existing connotation that has to be explained away every time you say it makes it a bad term, and while I don’t dispute that those things like DRM for instance are bad, just making up your own condescending name for something you don’t like is childish.
> They think Linux is an OS and they think "open source" means that the source code is publicly available.
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 02:01:40 JST
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@BionicNigga @romin >but the point of the system was to allow Linux users to run the utilities they’re familiar with on Windows
The point of the system was to allow suckers to run GNU software, so they would keep using windows and not escape to freedom by installing GNU/Linux!
Of course microsoft exploits how people consider themselves "Linux users" - even resulting in credit for Linus when such sort are running GNU without Linux.
Shilling "Linux" of course is working for microsoft - do you at least get paid?
>Bash is “Linux software” to anyone who isn’t a pedantic sperg, get over it.
bash --version
GNU bash, version 5.2.37(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu)
Copyright (C) 2022 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>
This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it.
There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law.
Bash predates Linux, is not for Linux and works with many kernels on many OS's.
Refusing to accept a totally false claim doesn't make one pedantic.
Imagine being so proprietary that you see GNU Bash and all you can think of is Linux.Forest of Enchantment likes this. -
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@Suiseiseki @romin I’m well aware of this, but the point of the system was to allow Linux users to run the utilities they’re familiar with on Windows, not to make some stupid ideological point, so I really don’t care. Bash is “Linux software” to anyone who isn’t a pedantic sperg, get over it. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 02:05:31 JST
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@BionicNigga @romin >nobody who advocates against saying ”GAHNOO SLASH LEENUCKS” does so because they give a shit about Linus,
All of such hate freedom and why would they care in the slightest about another guy that hates freedom?
>The same cannot be said of your side and Stallman
Stallman frankly isn't extreme enough for some things, but oh well.
>CCleaner is “free software”, because it is available at no cost, and that is what normal people mean when they use the term.
Yes, many people have been confused with marketing where there is the bait of freedom promised, but switched out with proprietary malware.
You can tell them that free means freedom and that ccleaner is gratis proprietary malware and they will no longer be confused. -
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@Suiseiseki @romin Literally nobody who advocates against saying ”GAHNOO SLASH LEENUCKS” does so because they give a shit about Linus, and most Linux users don’t look up to him as their leader. The same cannot be said of your side and Stallmann. CCleaner is “free software”, because it is available at no cost, and that is what normal people mean when they use the term. -
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þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 12:25:47 JST
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@mischievoustomato @RedTechEngineer @Suiseiseki @romin i think its a gay homeless man -
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þernia (pernia@cum.salon)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 12:25:49 JST
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@mischievoustomato @RedTechEngineer @Suiseiseki @romin i think he's talking about ubuntu. the linux operating system comes in many configurations, called "distros", a very popular one being ubuntu. its popular because its free. Johnny Peligro likes this. -
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@pernia @RedTechEngineer @Suiseiseki @romin ah! noted. I run nixOS! Very nice. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Saturday, 07-Jun-2025 21:36:39 JST
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@BionicNigga @romin It's amazing the false claims you can't help but to make.
>macos >freedom
>greater and overall higher-quality range of software available
macos is a toy OS that does have some programs - but I wouldn't call them quality.
GNU/Linux has many more programs available for it, generally of very good quality, so another false claim.
>that more closely does what I want
You're an itoddler? What a surprise.
>customize a Mac’s system shell
Yes, you can install a different shell on macos - which can be GNU bash, but you are only permitted to make some customizations - you don't have the freedom to make any change you want that GNU gives you.
>actually stable graphical API’s for them to use
The APIs are not stable - apple changes them all the time - the sucker developers need to keep purchasing a new macbook and port things to the latest APIs if they want the software to continue working with the latest version of macos.
The Xorg API is stable and 20 year old Xorg programs work fine (even if you have a broken system with wayland there is xwayland), but the same is not true for macos. -
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@Suiseiseki @romin > All of such hate freedom and why would they care in the slightest about another guy that hates freedom?
Good, so we agree there’s no cult of personality. Also lol at you bringing emotion into this.
> Yes, many people have been confused with marketing where there is the bait of freedom promised, but switched out with proprietary malware.
Literally nobody, NOBODY, thinks of freedom when you tell them “this program is free” unless they already subscribe to a specific ideology advocating freedoms non-programmers can’t even conceive of let alone even use, because generally when you’re describing a product or service that’s not what “free” means. This has nothing to do with marketing, that’s just the language, and it is only through propaganda that anyone would see the term as meaning anything different. I’m not even making a value judgement here, as I view propaganda as a neutral thing, but the fact is that “free” does not mean to most people what it does to you, and to engage in a campaign to get them to think otherwise is by definition propaganda. -
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@Suiseiseki @romin As a non-programmer, I have more freedom to customize a Mac’s system shell the way I want than a Linux machine’s because the Mac has a greater and overall higher-quality range of software available that more closely does what I want than what’s available on Linux, largely because macOS has a larger install base and thus more developers, and actually stable graphical API’s for them to use.
> oh but you can’t hack it and redistribute modified copies
I literally don’t care. -
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翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 09-Jun-2025 23:39:03 JST
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@BionicNigga @romin The kernel, Linux doesn't provide either.
GNU provides the best image manipulation program in the world; GIMP.
ffmpeg is the best audio & video processing software in the world and it is designed to work primarily on the GNU system. -
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@Suiseiseki @romin Yes because Linux is so well-known for its quality graphics and A/V software. Cope harder, ideologue.
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