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   Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Monday, 02-Jun-2025 22:27:46 JST Bread up, Bro
   I forgot it was russia that initially developed this, but a good thread.
   
   https://nitter.poast.org/ClintEhrlich/status/1929428177031434654#m
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 01:22:02 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • BroDrillard
     @BroDrillard most likely seems to be a play to get a better deal. probably won't work.
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     BroDrillard (brodrillard@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 01:22:03 JST BroDrillard

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     Yes, but the Russians were sane enough not to use it.
     
     Unlike the cocaine jew and his handlers.
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     of nothing (apropos@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 10:49:06 JST of nothing

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     @sickburnbro @BroDrillard my maximum-charitable interpretations in general are
     >attacking civilians
     1. Ukraine is trying to raise Russia's costs, for it to carry out war. It would be less humiliating to fight an invading army by attacking that army, and not attacking civilians far away from that army, but Ukraine's lost so hard at such fights that depleting Russia's will in other ways is still more plausible than Ukraine ever seeing a battlefield victory.
     This is evil and futile to the point that delusion AND drugs must explain it, but it at least has a plausible political justification.
     2. Ukraine's military rests most heavily on deranged nationalist units that provide 'morale' (shooting Ukrainians that get routed or try to surrender) to the conscripts. Without random acts of terrorism these units would lose morale themselves and try to slink off the battlefield or coup Zelenskyy.
     Ukraine's defense relies on evil people, so Ukraine does evil things to keep the evil people satisfied.
     "Nationalist" is usually a very positive word around here, but Ukrainian nationalism is very special. Like, if a Texan shot up a mall in Louisiana, to praise the shooter would not become a litmus test for a patriotic Texan against the vicious fish-fucking swamp creatures just to the east and Lovecraft's sinking 'chocolate city'.
     
     >attacking Russia's nuclear triad
     >attacking only the US-facing parts of Russia's nuclear triad, which does not even help Ukraine directly
     this is intended to bring NATO into the conflict, by
     1. undermining Russia's nuclear deterrence. The nuclear triad was attacked and it didn't do anything! Early warning radars for ICBMs from the US into Russia, these were damaged and Russia didn't do anything!
     2. provoking a response that, because western populations and leaders will simply not be informed of the provocation (or have it sufficiently emphasized for anyone to think about it), will lead to more "Putin has gone insane!" posts from idiots like Trump. What's fascinating is that the provocations, which are not causally tied in any way to the reactions, can still be used as propaganda in favor of Ukraine's military effectiveness.
     
     >getting a better deal
     The math is "increase to western support for Ukraine > increase to Russian support for the SMO".
     At this point in the conflict I would not be confident in any math like that.
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 10:57:32 JST pistolero

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     @apropos @sickburnbro I saw someone (rt?) posit that .ua's behavior is explained best by Zelinsky trying to maintain domestic legitimacy, because his personal survival depends on maintaining power. If he suspends elections and then loses the war, he's going to get what a lot of Eastern European politicians have gotten, especially since he's going to get the cold shoulder from NATO and Putin's not going to do him any favors. I think "desperation" fits better than "delusion".
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Tuesday, 03-Jun-2025 20:25:59 JST Bread up, Bro

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     @p @apropos yes, that's a reasonable option too. It's basically a bunch of "here how we could still win" type of actions - but I don't think anyone really thinks they can win now, I haven't even seen any delusional NAFO types saying it recently.
     
     The question for Zelensky is basically "how do I get out of this and not end up in a Russian Gulag or dead?"
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     pistolero (p@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Wednesday, 04-Jun-2025 05:23:04 JST pistolero

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     @sickburnbro @apropos
     
     > I haven't even seen any delusional NAFO types saying it recently
     
     Astroturf, not delusion. Failed to drum up popular support for the war. What we *usually* do when that happens is sink a boat and lie about it. In any case, all the NAFO instances closed down around the same time; if I were guessing, the NAFO-themed Twitter accounts also went dark around then, probably tied to some benchmark Zelinsky failed to meet or some big classified report that concluded it was over.
     
     > The question for Zelensky is basically "how do I get out of this and not end up in a Russian Gulag or dead?"
     
     That seems plausible to me. Especially if the corruption allegations are true (they are) and the next guy to get in there finds a convenient excuse to jail his predecessor, a thing that has a tendency to happen in that region, he's screwed. If the CIA installed him, they won't want that to become public: everyone knows it, but the White House can still credibly claim otherwise, and it's probably not hard to suicide a guy in prison there. So he's got nothing to lose, if we've stopped writing him blank checks then he's already lost the ability to buy loyalty. He's staked everything on the war, which is now a lost cause. I'd probably be drinking too.