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   MortSinyx (cnx@awkward.place)'s status on Monday, 02-Jun-2025 16:31:09 JST MortSinyx

   Why in the fuck are OpenAI client libraries included in GNU Guix?

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Monday, 02-Jun-2025 16:31:08 JST 翠星石

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     @cnx Some of it's developers aren't really into freedom.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 02-Jun-2025 17:04:28 JST SuperDicq

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     @cnx@awkward.place Because the actual libraries are free software.
     
     I think when it comes to things like software which interfaces with proprietary network services the Free System Distribution Guidelines does not specifically disallow it, meaning that inclusion of these libraries is technically speaking not against the FSDG.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Monday, 02-Jun-2025 17:11:59 JST SuperDicq

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     @cnx@awkward.place Maybe the FSDG aught to be updated to include a section that forbids the encouragement of Service as a Software Substitute (SaaSS).
     
     This is currently lacking in the guidelines.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 00:47:13 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place People who commit genocide should be in jail without access to a computer in the first place, they should never touch software.
     
     The FSF doesn't allow these so called "ethical source" licences, not because they think that genocide is good, but because these licenses are extremely dumb and counteracting to the free software movement goals.
     
     All that these licenses do is muddy the legal text with additional clauses that are extremely vague and completely unenforceable through copyright law in the first place.
     
     Copyright law is absolutely the wrong tool for the job here. We have many other systems that are supposed to stop genocide. If these can not even stop genocide do you think a copyright license will make a difference? Of course not.
     
     The only thing than can happen is that a judge will say that the license is invalid, which is obviously bad for free software.
     
     I also highly disagree with the statement "FSF has no sense of ethics". It's just you who clearly misses the point.
     
     Also you should honestly see the irony with your own statement about "free software" when it contains "when you forbid" and "your code".
     
     We don't take ownership of software running on other people's computers and we definitely don't forbid things. That's the opposite of what the free software movement is about.

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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 00:47:15 JST zaire arcana

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     @SuperDicq @cnx they’re free software under the same definition of free software that is violated when you forbid genocidal fascists from using your code

     the FSF has no sense of ethics

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 00:49:46 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place You can clown emoji this shit all you want but if you think using copyright license text is the right place for you to do your pointless slacktivism lefty virtue signalling you're the fucking clown here.
     
     If you actually want to stop genocide go to an actual protest and vote the right people into power.
     
     Seriously, criticizing the FSF for something like this is a waste of everybody's time.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 00:54:55 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place If you're "taking a stand against fash" while fucking over literally everyone else for no reason I am not supporting that.

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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 00:54:56 JST zaire arcana

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     @SuperDicq @cnx

     your pointless slacktivism lefty virtue signalling

     uhh maybe consider: going and fucking yourself??? you’re sounding like a rightoid grifter right now, i’d consider a conversation were you not this clearly inclined to do apologism for the “free as in genocide-enabling” idea

     if you’ve a problem with people taking a stand against fash, you are fash, again, go fuck yourself

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 00:57:03 JST Phantasm

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     @zaire @cnx @SuperDicq I think the idea of "The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose" is very clear. Nobody, even the author, can restrict you in any way how you use the software.
     
     Not to mention that anti-genocidal or anti-capitalist licenses like Bookwyrm has are completely unenforceable. Do you suggest that software has mandated DRM that detects whether it is running in a genocidal or capitalistic environment and refuses to run? That is almost by definition spyware. And if the author sues a user of that breach of license, it immediately hits a wall in court called "but how did you figure this out" and immediately backfires on the plaintiff. Or do we add a "we spy on you and your devices in order to figure out if you are running our software in a genocidal/capitalist environment"?
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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 00:57:05 JST zaire arcana

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     @SuperDicq @cnx is the clown reaction enough or do i need to laugh you out the room too

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:01:13 JST Phantasm

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     @zaire @cnx @SuperDicq I'll got even further. I think licenses should not exist at all for software, copyright and IP should be completely abolished. Only then we can achieve truly freedom respecting free software. With freedom to do with it whatever we want and distribute it however we want.
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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:01:14 JST zaire arcana

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     @phnt @cnx @SuperDicq I don’t see why you couldn’t say that about literally any license lol

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:12:22 JST Phantasm

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     @Pi_rat @cnx @zaire @SuperDicq Yes, you read that right. Free software as defined by FSF isn't freedom respecting but freedom restricting. It adds restrictions on how you link against it, distribute it and most importantly prohibits change of loicense. Public domain is the closest to actual free as in freedom software.
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     Pi_rat (pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:12:23 JST Pi_rat

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     @phnt @cnx @zaire @SuperDicq ?!?!?!?!?!?
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:12:24 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @phnt@fluffytail.org @cnx@awkward.place Piracy doesn't create software freedom. You can't magically acquire the source code of proprietary software using this method (unless it is leaked).

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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:12:25 JST zaire arcana

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     @SuperDicq @phnt @cnx the other such tool is piracy

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:12:27 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @phnt@fluffytail.org @cnx@awkward.place Just to be clear I don't think copyright is the perfect way to enforce software freedom, but it is currently the only tool that we have, so I think it is really important that we don't jeopardize it by using it as an outlet for pointless virtue signalling against fascism that will never work instead of real software freedom enforcement that actually works.

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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:12:28 JST zaire arcana

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     @phnt @cnx @SuperDicq for once you’re correct, congratulations

     now how about you stop trying to tell me it’s wrong to tell fascists to fuck off as part of your license because it’s never wrong to tell fascists to fuck off and if you’re disagree well you know what to do

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:13:24 JST SuperDicq

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     @phnt@fluffytail.org @cnx@awkward.place @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be Well that only matters when you get caught.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:13:25 JST Phantasm

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     @SuperDicq @cnx @zaire Unless IP and copyright doesn't exist and leaking it therefore isn't against any law.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:14:14 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place A true anarchist knows that a copyright license does not matter. So why write one in the first place? Just go enforce your political ideas for real and in person instead.

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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:14:15 JST zaire arcana

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     @SuperDicq @cnx you’re trying to imply one is not anarchist unless they commit to pretending the state doesn’t exist. that’s fallacious. bailing out until you provide a better argument

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:14:16 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place If you are using a copyright license in the first place you are by definition a statist because you are implicitly recognizing that the state and it's laws (including copyright) exists. And with an "ethical source" copyright license you're trying to use the state's power to enforce your own political ideas.
     
     If you are truly an anarchist who is anti-statist, you should release everything in the public domain instead.

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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:14:17 JST zaire arcana

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     @SuperDicq @cnx you’re a statist who doesn’t really get the point of free software, i don’t think your opinion based on this unethical purism nor that of other fossbros matters all too much

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:16:44 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place If doing stuff in meatspace is too far fetched for you can I at least ask you not make things worse for us here in cyberspace?

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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:16:45 JST zaire arcana

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     @SuperDicq @cnx you don’t get to tell me i’m not doing enough, random person on the internet

     shifting the overton window to the left is a good thing to do actually; you don’t get to tell me it doesn’t count unless i do it “in person”

     being able to do shit in meatspace is a privilege you for some reason assume to be a given for everyone. if you have that privilege go use it for the greater good, but don’t talk down to others who’ve limited options in comparison

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:17:47 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place Also it's not just the FSF. Literally everybody thinks this is stupid.
     
     The Debian Free Software Definition does. The Open Source Initiative does as well. Literally everybody disagrees with you, not just the FSF.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:22:25 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place "ethical source" licenses do make things worse for literally everyone here.
     
     And if a so called genocidal fascist somehow still finds your program they will, guess what, just ignore the license anyway, because people who actually commit genocide generally usually don't really abide by the law anyways I think.

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     zaire arcana (zaire@fedi.absturztau.be)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:22:27 JST zaire arcana

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     @SuperDicq @cnx i’m not, you’re just kind of making stuff up and stretching stuff out about how i am for whatever reason

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     Pi_rat (pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:22:47 JST Pi_rat

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     @phnt @cnx @zaire @SuperDicq I know that, I'm surprised about you defending free software. Was convinced you were more of proprietary guy
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:23:16 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place If you're "taking a stand against cash" while fucking over literally everyone else for no reason I am not supporting that.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:30:59 JST Phantasm

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     @Pi_rat @cnx @zaire @SuperDicq That's mostly to bait Suiseiseki into eternal arguments when I feel like it. Obviously I disagree with some of the FSF's takes on embedded firmware and how the GPL is presented. I understand why it is like that, but in this rare case, the FSF should have gone more extreme.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:52:04 JST SuperDicq

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     @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be @cnx@awkward.place I do want to say that "genocide-enabling" is very distinguish.
     
     Just because someone doesn't explicitly says they are against genocide every single hour of the day that does not mean they support it.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 01:58:20 JST SuperDicq

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     @Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com @cnx@awkward.place @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be Yeah free software unfortunately does not stop genocide just by itself. There's like, many other powers in the world that are better suited to stop genocide.

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     @SuperDicq @cnx @zaire It's kind of great that people expect free software to stop genocides, must be hell of a powerful moment to do that
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     @Pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com @cnx@awkward.place @zaire@fedi.absturztau.be Also copyright is fought over in a civil court. This branch of law does not even apply to the state and the military (which are most likely to commit genocide), so it really is pointless.

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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 02:12:09 JST Phantasm

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     @zaire @cnx @SuperDicq I'll tell you why. I don't think I, or anyone else, should have the right to restrict someone from using software I/they wrote. It's simple as that. I don't think I should be able to tell someone how to live their life.
     
     If you want more pragmatic response. "Fascist" lost all historical meaning and means completely different things to many different people. The moment you try to define, you make a sizable portion of the demographic you are trying to reach angry to the point of you being labeled a fascist.
     
     1. No fascists allowed
     2. No people questioning rule no1.
     simply does not work.
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     Pi_rat (pi_rat@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 04-Jan-2026 02:19:25 JST Pi_rat

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     @zaire @cnx @SuperDicq Face the wall
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     @zaire @cnx @SuperDicq >shifting the overton window to the left is a good thing to do actually
     Counting down the days until you start listing attraction to minors as a valid sexual orientation.
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     @zaire @SuperDicq @cnx God forbid anyone wants to live in a just and orderly world lest he gets screamed at by a man calling himself a "neurospicy girlcreature".
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     @SuperDicq @cnx @zaire Oh and the chain started from a reply to a 7 months old post. Nigga goes out of his way to search for posts to get triggered at.
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     @SuperDicq @cnx @zaire
     
     "The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."--H. L. Mencken
     
     Wanted to post this for sometime, and there probably is better post in this thread for it to be reply of
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     @SuperDicq @zaire @cnx >Copyright law is absolutely the wrong tool for the job here. We have many other systems that are supposed to stop genocide. If these can not even stop genocide do you think a copyright license will make a difference? Of course not.
     "Blast! I really want to nuke the entire world but this MIME-type library has a 'no villains' clause in the licence, whatever shall I do now! MIME-type libraries are hard to find!"
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     @phnt @cnx @zaire @Pi_rat @SuperDicq >Public domain is the closest to actual free as in freedom software.
     >Look at how a lot of public domain and software under weak licenses is primarily used (it's primarily used in/as proprietary software that takes the users freedom).
     >Look at how full GNU/Freedom software is used (it's free software for almost all of its users, with license enforcement being required to ensure that it is free software for all of its users).
     
     For anyone rational, clearly the latter is closer to freedom.
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     @phnt @cnx @zaire @SuperDicq Imaginary Property doesn't exist - you claiming it does gives credibility to a fictional idea that does not exist.
     
     Even if all copyright laws were repealed tomorrow, leaking the source code of proprietary software and others distributing would still be illegal (as that would violate trade secret law).
     
     Even if trade secret laws were also repealed, companies would go back to what was done before copyright and refuse to give anyone a copy of the software without their signature on a non-disclosure agreement.
     
     Even if somehow non-disclosure agreements were also ruled not legal, companies would punish those who violate such non-disclosure agreements by harassing them endlessly.
     
     
     Copyright law and a copyleft license are necessary tools to keep software free up until the point where everyone refuses to accept to use software unless it is free software.