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   nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 16:23:55 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:
   Now I'm just tempted to write this entire thing in C instead. :chiggerniggaseverementaldistress:
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 16:33:44 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     Reasons why I *really* shouldn't do this:
     - Letting me write C is like letting a kid play with a knife. I will cut off my entire hand.
     - Tons of manual labor in C that I wanted to avoid, which is why I chose Go to begin with.
     - I need to learn more fucking Go.
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     Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 16:34:58 JST Protoss

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     @nyanide C++?
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 16:35:46 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @Cyrillic I don't know any and if I really cared for the extra features C++ offers I would be writing this project in TypeScript.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:00:26 JST gentoobro

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     C++ is just C except harder to read and with more useless boilerplate.

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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:00:30 JST gentoobro

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     Macros 😀

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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:01:50 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @gentoobro Yeah duh. I'm like talking about the more mundane stuff like having to allocate appropriate buffer sizes for sprintf and what not. It's mind numbing and distracting and I just wanna get back to writing actual program logic.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:06:04 JST gentoobro

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     // allocates a new buffer and calls sprintf with it char* sprintfdup(char* fmt, ...) { va_list va; va_start(va, fmt); size_t n = vsnprintf(NULL, 0, fmt, va); char* buf = malloc(n + 1); va_end(va); va_start(va, fmt); vsnprintf(buf, n + 1, fmt, va); va_end(va); return buf; }

     Um... trivially abstract the boilerplate away?

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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:06:57 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @gentoobro Yeah. You can do that. But I end up having to do that a lot when I write C.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:07:31 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @gentoobro Not a bug isn't even loading here.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:07:32 JST gentoobro

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     https://notabug.org/yzziizzy/sti

     Here's my general utility library in C. It includes a bunch of typesafe data structures, as well as a bunch of useful functions like the one above. Public Domain.

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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:09:03 JST gentoobro

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     Which is why I put all of those functions I wrote in a lib and now I just

     #include "sti/sti.h"

     and add sti.c to the build script.

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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:09:23 JST gentoobro

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     https://github.com/yzziizzy/sti

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     meeper (meeper@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 17:28:42 JST meeper

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     @nyanide C is like a blunt knife that doesn't cut well unless you know the specific sharp bit and has a high risk of cutting you.
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     Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 18:12:31 JST Protoss

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     @gentoobro @nyanide having objects and templates is very useful
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 25-May-2025 18:15:40 JST Phantasm

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     @Cyrillic @nyanide @gentoobro Yeah, it is useful if you are writing something complicated and know how to actually use it. Like 80% of people writing C++ don't.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jun-2025 20:58:54 JST Phantasm

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     @gentoobro @Cyrillic @nyanide Writing C++ like C with a few C++ features sprinkled in exactly how you write C++ if you don't understand it. It's the lazy route if you aren't competent enough with C++. If C with a few C++ features solves your problem, literally write in C since your project isn't complex enough to take advantage of C++.
     
     TL;DR mostly a skill issue.
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     gentoobro (gentoobro@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Thursday, 05-Jun-2025 20:58:55 JST gentoobro

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     The problem is much worse than that. Responsible use of C++ is like how Casey Muratori does it, which it not much more than C with function overloading and a slight convenience in making math libraries. Anything more rapidly increases the depth of analysis necessary to understand any given line of code, which becomes a serious problem in large projects.