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   👺防空識別區👹 (adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 09:55:47 JST 👺防空識別區👹

   How about instead of blaming students for "cheating" in school by leveraging AI, consider how wholly useless most assignments and work are in university curriculum and how most of the university system is a debt scam cemented by various corrupt forces which needlessly holds hostage middle class employment opportunities. There is nothing in my field of study that AI can help me "cheat" through, and the only ways AI would benefit me would be offloading superfluous busy work crap.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 09:55:46 JST SuperDicq

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     @adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa I kinda agree. Especially due the nature of how LLMs work they aren't capable of coming up with original new ideas. All they can do is soupify already existing texts from the training data set.
     
     If your university work does not involve anything that isn't already solved it isn't really research and it can be considered superfluous busy work.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 09:56:12 JST iced depresso

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     @adiz ive seen unschoolers talk about how they prepare people for a harsh world of alleged cooperation by strictly isolating and atomizing people and saying cooperation is cheating.
     
     i kind of get what the point of making people recreate things with known solutions is but they're also not wrong that our general process is schizophrenic and antithetical to making strong autonomous people who would be valuable assets.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 09:57:20 JST iced depresso

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     @adiz like the system specializes in turning everyone in to chudfuck retards and complains that they aren't escaping the social darwinism to become the diamonds they want to fill jobs
     
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 09:59:33 JST iced depresso

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     @SuperDicq @adiz we use things with known solutions for training purposes so they can be shown what they did correctly/wrongly when workshopping it for themselves.
     
     at least that's the theory.
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 10:01:33 JST prettygood

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     @adiz it isn't just the students anymore.
     
     https://fortune.com/2025/05/15/chatgpt-openai-northeastern-college-student-tuition-fees-back-catching-professor/
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     👺防空識別區👹 (adiz@mtl.jinxian.casa)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 10:01:35 JST 👺防空識別區👹

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     There are so many ways to avoid AI infiltration within academia, but it requires educators and institutions to cease being lazy pieces of shit who only care about duping kids into taking out loans so they can get their grubby little hands on money.

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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 10:02:09 JST iced depresso

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     @SuperDicq @adiz if its just an applied science where all you do is take what we already know and slap it on stuff, then idk, having a big archive retrieval tool probably IS part of your realistic workload.
     
     if the job is to invent shit that doesn't exist then googling the answer / gpt slop is not something that is part of the workload. in a real case the robot wouldn't have had an answer to copy to give to you, so it IS defeating the point of the workshop.
     
     meh.
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     nobullyplz :antibully: (nobullyplz@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 12:48:36 JST nobullyplz :antibully:

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     @prettygood @adiz Christians in 600AD had the solution to make proper learning institutions free of tech... :pepeMonkaCross:
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     prettygood (prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 12:48:36 JST prettygood

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     @nobullyplz @adiz I can agree with this despite being a cranky unbeliever.
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     silverpill (silverpill@mitra.social)'s status on Saturday, 17-May-2025 21:30:37 JST silverpill

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     @adiz This is definitely one of the positive effects of AI. Imagine if instead of wasting their best years on pointless assignments students would do something valuable, where it doesn't matter if you "cheated" or not.