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   T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll: (theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 01:17:01 JST T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll:
   the web was kinda really the only component of computing that was truly driven by only corporate interest
   
   and if you know anything about non-engineers running an engineering project this is what happens
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 01:19:04 JST Fish of Rage

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     @theorytoe you don’t need to implement nearly every spec they have to make a browser work but I don’t know what you do need
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     T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll: (theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 01:36:10 JST T man :sex: :puffgiga: :puffpowerroll:

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     @sun buts its more of a shot in the water as far as what you would need, and even then its dependent on what websites you want to work properly.
     
     in the theoretical case that you only need ~1% of the current spec to work to get what you need, thats still 1.14 million words of spec you need to write. Contrast that to tcp, which is only 34k words (approx) total
     
     much more to say most of the complexity comes from js/webgl and all the insane client side bullshit that has been shoved on the browser since some retard thought that was a good idea
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     Rocket (rocket@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:08:25 JST Rocket

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     @theorytoe Throw it all out and write a new spec. We will call it web 5. Oh wait, that one guy wrote a comic about standards and now no one is allowed to create a new standard ever again. Almost forgot.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:08:56 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @Rocket @theorytoe "You're in hell" - Terry A. Davis
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:09:34 JST Phantasm

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     @Rocket @theorytoe
     >Throw it all out and write a new spec.
     Gemini with extra steps.
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:14:38 JST Phantasm

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     @meso @theorytoe @Rocket Gemini is a very DeVault brained protocol.
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     meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:14:39 JST meso

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     @phnt @theorytoe @Rocket Gemini fucking sucks man if i wanted a protocol exclusively for the purpose of getting a text file from somewhere id kill myself
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     Eric Zhang 2: Episode 1 (eric@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:22:26 JST Eric Zhang 2: Episode 1

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     @theorytoe the web is probably the biggest technical debt ever, it's literally a hypertext markup language and people just glued all sorts of things on top, then you have all these backend/frontend frameworks trying to make all the things glued on top feel more "integrated" in a way (or at least that's how i view frontend frameworks that abstract the dom interface and whatnot)
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:26:49 JST Phantasm

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     • meso
     @meso @theorytoe @Rocket It solved one problem accidentally. Easy to write clients for old devices. And then they blew that opportunity by enforcing TLS. Gopher is still better in that regard.
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     meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:26:51 JST meso

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     @phnt @theorytoe @Rocket Does not even manage to solve a problem that doesn't exist
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:29:07 JST Phantasm

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     @Cyrillic @theorytoe @sun Yeah, but surf uses Apple's WebKit as its engine. It's a UI for WebKit2GTK just like badwolf, luakit and others.
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     Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:29:08 JST Protoss

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     @theorytoe @sun surf actually works, I even passed a cloudflare "click the small box to access the page" check to use deepseek on it. but retarded hotkeys and lack of extensions keep me from actually using that.
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     meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:36:36 JST meso

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     @phnt @theorytoe @Rocket well it didn't solve it then, it's TLS by design, you can't even write a Gemini client in Hare cuz Hare does not have a TLS library. t. tried to do that
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     Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:36:56 JST Protoss

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     @Rocket @theorytoe you can but like with ipv6 it'll be used in three decades time at the least
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     Eric Zhang 2: Episode 1 (eric@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:38:39 JST Eric Zhang 2: Episode 1

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     @meso @theorytoe @phnt @Rocket why do we need a new retarded protocol anyways, just have sites that don't run 100 javascript scripts and it should be fine. no one is using gopher/gemini/whatever the latest alternative protocol is for transmitting plaintext some autist wrote
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:40:11 JST Phantasm

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     @meso @theorytoe @eric @Rocket It was doomed from the start, because it's essentially a protocol made for blogs. You can't do much more than that.
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     meso (meso@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:40:13 JST meso

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     @eric @theorytoe @phnt @Rocket one of the biggest flaws with gemini is that it doesn't allow you to make interactive sites. it's retarded, it's useless. no one wants to see your stupid fucking faggot website
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     Eric Zhang 2: Episode 1 (eric@pl.starnix.network)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:44:47 JST Eric Zhang 2: Episode 1

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     @phnt @theorytoe @meso @Rocket WE ALREADY HAVE A PROTOCOL FOR BLOGS, IT'S CALLED RSS
     
     
     ...oh shit another piece of technology glued onto the web platform??? SHUT IT DOWN
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:45:24 JST Phantasm

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     • meso
     @eric @theorytoe @meso @Rocket Uhm, ackshually you should use Atom instead.
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     Paultron-3030 (paultron@poa.st)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:59:55 JST Paultron-3030

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     @theorytoe ai fixes this
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     ur angle, or ur devil..... (ligma_male@mstdn.starnix.network)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 02:59:55 JST ur angle, or ur devil.....

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     @Paultron @theorytoe AI will make the W3C specification catalog into 228 million words

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     Nice Mitch Conner (mitchconner@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 09:22:00 JST Nice Mitch Conner

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     Nope, it's the same Chrome WebView nonsense as all browsers on iOS. https://umatechnology.org/huawei-browser-vs-google-chrome/
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     Iska (iska@catposter.club)'s status on Sunday, 04-May-2025 09:22:02 JST Iska

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     @theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe didn't Huawei build their own web browser for HarmonyOS? They already got rid of AOSP entirely and made their own microkernel...