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   Martian Venator (martianvenator@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 20:58:17 JST Martian Venator
   Lots of recriminations and analysis, like voting matters at all and election results are an accurate representation of the mood of the nation.
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     Rheristies (rher@mugicha.club)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 20:58:16 JST Rheristies

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     How come? I'm unfamiliar with how your system works
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     Martian Venator (martianvenator@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:13:08 JST Martian Venator

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     @rher Well, I think democracy in general is bullshit but Australia has compulsory preferential voting, which means everyone is forced by law to pick between the two major parties at some point. On top of that, we have to vote in pencil.
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     Martian Venator (martianvenator@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:19:03 JST Martian Venator

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     @rher Number them from 1 to 8 in order of your preference. Failure to do so will result in your vote being put in the bin. Even if you put the major parties 7 and 8 and all the minor parties above them, at some point in the counting the minors will be knocked out and your vote will go to whichever of the majors you hate less.
     
     If you refuse to submit to this humiliation ritual you'll be fined.
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     Rheristies (rher@mugicha.club)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:31:59 JST Rheristies

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     No electronic voting at all?
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     :oppa: kittymaxxing :oppa: (rosey@catgirl.rehab)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:35:59 JST :oppa: kittymaxxing :oppa:

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     @martianvenator@poa.st @rher@mugicha.club compulsory voting is dumb as hell man, i don't give a damn who wins but my vote is worth just as much as some guy who spends hours reviewing every party's policies and working out the optimal vote in advance
     how is that good for """democracy"""
     plus ive been living in this apartment for like nine month and ive had to go to three elections in that time, i'm over it

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     Martian Venator (martianvenator@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:37:09 JST Martian Venator

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     @rher No, and no voter ID. When you turn up they simply ask if you've voted already, like we live in a high-trust society or something.
     
     Also, no irregularities ever. Apparently our system is so good no one's ever attempted to mess with it.
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     Martian Venator (martianvenator@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:39:35 JST Martian Venator

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     @rosey @rher Yeah, it also means there's no danger of the system losing legitimacy.
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     Rheristies (rher@mugicha.club)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:40:47 JST Rheristies

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     That no voter ID bit is nuts, do jeets vote multiple times for their candidate?
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     Lester Cordell (c_j_s@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:43:26 JST Lester Cordell

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     @martianvenator @rosey @rher If they didn't force us imagine how many Australians wouldn't show up.
     As a country we think it's gay to care about politics. You'd be lucky if they could fill the MCG with the voters.
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     Mosley (whiteman_@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:43:41 JST Mosley

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     @martianvenator @rher Ahhh mate. Preferential voting sucks that is convoluted and easier to rig
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     Aether ??? (aether@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:46:40 JST Aether ???

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     @rher @martianvenator That is not true. When you turn up to vote they ask for your name marked you off the roll. If you voted at multiple booths you would get fined.
     
     This election was different when for the first time they used electronic rolls so if you had already voted you would be marked off and could not vote again, although could request a provisional ballot subject to investigation.
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     Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:52:33 JST Protoss

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     @rosey @rher @martianvenator their notification system also didn't work as claimed, I signed up for one and didn't get it. I don't watch the news so I would have no clue if I were to randomly receive a fine on any day or not.
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     Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:54:32 JST Protoss

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     @Aether @rher @martianvenator I could then give a random name when asked. those electric rolls would prevent this.
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     Aether ??? (aether@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 21:56:29 JST Aether ???

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     @Cyrillic @rher @martianvenator Not really. The rolls have the name and address of all voters enrolled in an electorate. They ask for your name and address to verify that you are enrolled and who you say you are.
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     Martian Venator (martianvenator@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 22:00:22 JST Martian Venator

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     @Aether @rher It's not about whether an individual votes multiple times but whether others could vote via identity theft and whether it would be meaningfully pursued if they did. Add to that the fact that there's no longer a single voting day but a two week period and the system is ripe for subversion. The fact that we are expected to believe no one has apparently tried seems suspicious to me in itself.
     
     I didn't know that about the electronic rolls - they were still crossing names off with a pencil and ruler at the station I visited.
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     Aether ??? (aether@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 22:00:22 JST Aether ???

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     @Cyrillic @rher @martianvenator Yes, and I am guessing many did
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     Protoss (cyrillic@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 22:00:23 JST Protoss

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     @Aether @rher @martianvenator so if I have the dox of some random boomer I can vote for them? balanced democracy 10/10
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     Martian Venator (martianvenator@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 22:01:39 JST Martian Venator

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     @Cyrillic @Aether @rher As far as I can tell, yes. Electronic rolls would help stop this but usually there's no tech at all in the voting station - it's all pencil and paper. If they spotted the irregularity there'd be no way of cancelling out the invalid vote or tracking you down.
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     Martian Venator (martianvenator@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 22:13:00 JST Martian Venator

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     @BanjoPartisan @Cyrillic @Aether @rher There's no way to prosecute and no way to filter out the fraudulent vote.
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     BanjoPartisan (banjopartisan@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 22:13:01 JST BanjoPartisan

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     @martianvenator @Cyrillic @Aether @rher Not true. There are regularly people caught voting multiple times after the fact (like weeks later) with the current system. The AEC refuses to fine or prosecute any offenders.
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     Martian Venator (martianvenator@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 22:15:44 JST Martian Venator

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     @BanjoPartisan @Cyrillic @Aether @rher I should clarify that when I say no one, I mean on a level which might tip a seat. We hear all about branch-stacking scandals when it comes to party votes but we're expected to believe the elections are squeaky clean.
     
     I mean, it doesn't actually matter because there's no real choice anyway, but my original point was merely that we have no way of knowing what goes on and I don't see any reason why elections should be taken as a barometer of public opinion.
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