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   Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:40:38 JST Mr. Bacon
   After i messed with the database last weekend clew has been working a lot better...
   
   I wonder if my theory is correct - once db usage reaches about 50% of total volume it makes the application run wonky.
   
   I moved media uploads and some other files from a 200gb volume to a 400gb volume and everything seemed to smooth out.
   
   mmmmmmm
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:42:08 JST pwm

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     @Tony You should consider putting your media on s3 or a second box running minio, it'll free up space. Backblaze is cheap, so is block storage on e.g. frantech
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:44:34 JST Mr. Bacon

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     That's not a bad idea. The goal is to get the db off the vps on sunday. Once i have it locally, I can mess around with storage more, but i just need it off the vps so I can actually mess around with better storage options.
     
     the db set up right now is a little wonky lol, there's like two layers of symlinks going to the media uploads. I learned more about postgres the last week than I ever wanted to know...
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:45:45 JST pwm

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     @Tony Anything you want help with feel free to reach out. Advice is free, and I wrench for cheap.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:55:19 JST pwm

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     @Tony It may behoove you to upgrade to 16 then take the backup, then move it, then restore without worrying about database upgrades also being in the mix.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:55:20 JST Mr. Bacon

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     I think i have it figured out. The only think im concerned about is updating to postgres 16. I came very close to losing everything last weekend. I didn't realize you had to restore the db to the new cluster using the pg_dump/pg_basebackup file. I had one pg_dump file and then I just copied the whole cluster to a new location too just incase. Then I made a third pg_dump back up but typed in the mv command wrong when I was trying to move directories and combined the new cluster with the dump and had to delete the whole partition.
     
     Thank god I had multiple backups of everything lmao.
     
     After that mess I think im good on moving the db, but im not really sure how to adjust federation on pleroma fe. The new server i have set up federates horribly.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:56:06 JST pwm

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     @Tony fewer variables but also if you have multiple separated copies, you can't lose anything but time
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:57:32 JST pwm

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     @Tony Do both if you've got the disk space and are paranoid.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:57:33 JST Mr. Bacon

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     well, i wanted to backup before upgrading beceause you never know lol. But yah, i agree.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:59:06 JST pwm

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     @Tony Huh.
     
     What was borked on current ubuntu?
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 11:59:07 JST Mr. Bacon

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     I technically could run the new instance on postgres 14, but because pleroma isn't quite compatible with new ubuntu, I had to compile it from source and got everything working on the newest packages so I kinda wanted to keep that upgrade train rolling.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:02:14 JST pwm

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     @Tony You could have also run pleroma from OTP (basically a binary distribution) without the requisite elixir version.
     
     Do you have a particular reason for running pleroma from source other than just getting it to work?
     
     Also, if you are being very cautious do your postgres upgrade one major version at a time.
     
     import to 14 (if that's your current) -> upgrade to 15 -> upgrade to 16
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:02:15 JST Mr. Bacon

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     nothing, just the new ubuntu 24.04 doesn't have legacy packages for older versions of postgress, elixer and other things. So you have to manually manage the versions and make it work together.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:04:23 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Well, that's why I went the compile route. The OTP version was giving me issues within the package manager and some of the older software versions weren't in the new ubuntu repositories. So i just compiled it so the kernel would work with new software versions and I manually imported them. (i think that's what i did, idk this whole process was new to me) but effectively that's what I did.
     
     And that's good to know on the postgres thing. May as well be anal if all it costs is time.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:06:59 JST Mr. Bacon

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     regardless, i learned the value of version control lmao.
     
     THe new ubuntu distro is also kinda locked down as far as the package manager. Which i kinda like? But it won't let you do apt install certain things and it throws a warning that it may wreck the system before you install it. Idk what OS you use, but i've been a fan of ubuntu.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:09:10 JST pwm

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     @Tony alpine on servers, debian on this laptop
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:09:33 JST pwm

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     @Tony I'm not fmailiar with those apt guardrails, maybe they are here but idk
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     Nice Mitch Conner (mitchconner@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:24:04 JST Nice Mitch Conner

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     Now that Ubuntu has given you a feel for a Debian based OS you can get a big kid distro https://mxlinux.org/
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     Hoss Delgado (hoss@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:24:04 JST Hoss Delgado

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     He's already got all he needs.
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     vic (vic@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:49:01 JST vic

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     I'm happy for the people who want to use obscure distros, that's what Linux is all about, but for the person who hates computers and just wants to get things done without as much Microsoft or Apple faggotry, Ubuntu is pretty much all they'll ever need, and the soy drinkers on MandarchzintaryOS (static rolling container release 14.6.2.3) can fuck off about it

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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:49:30 JST Mr. Bacon

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     its the new ubuntu thing. Basically it warns you before you install anything that could be a system wide issue.
     
     Idk, i haven't tried other OS's yet so ubuntu was the first one other than microsoft or apple i tried...
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:51:05 JST pwm

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     @Tony everyone starts with Ubuntu. There are a handful of other normie friendly desktop distros.
     I would recommend you try Debian on server next time you're feeling frisky. It's a very sane choice, and what I would roll if for some reason I couldn't use alpine.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:53:15 JST Mr. Bacon

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     I like ubuntu. Tbh, it's a little bloated for server work, but as an alt for microsoft or apple, it's a way better option.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:54:00 JST pwm

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     @Tony @mitchconner @Hoss @vic My 87 year old grandfather runs Ubuntu. It pretty much just works.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:57:32 JST Mr. Bacon

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     microsoft is malware. The OS itself is a virus that steals your data
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     UnityOstara (unityostara@poa.st)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:57:33 JST UnityOstara

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     @Tony @vic @pwm @mitchconner @Hoss Had to run my Unix pc last month because my Levono was being squirrel. As much as I hate Microsoft... idk.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:58:33 JST pwm

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     @EllisDee @Tony @mitchconner @UnityOstara @Hoss @vic you're getting raped in the mouth, why not just get raped in the ass, too, and get it over with?
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     EllisDee (ellisdee@wolfgirl.bar)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 12:58:34 JST EllisDee

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     @Tony @pwm @mitchconner @UnityOstara @Hoss @vic everything steals your data these days so why not just let the whole OS do it for you from the porn you look at to your meme folder
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:02:38 JST pwm

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     @Tony very minimal. On my server cluster at home it boots over the network, and runs entirely in ram on a bunch of ewaste. Justwerks for a lot of stuff because it's basically the container is of choice for dockerbros et. al. which is also due to small size and minimal resource usage.
     
     It falls flat for desktop programs because there is less developer effort behind making stuff that relies on glibc work nicely. BUT a lot of stuff even there also works if you're not using developer tools like I am. For reading email, browsing the web, and using libre office, it justwerks again.
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:02:39 JST Mr. Bacon

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     why do you chose alpine?
     
     Part of me wants to go full autist and run an arch set up for funsies. I think im at the point where i understand package managers enough to deal with it.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:03:33 JST pwm

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     @Tony I don't recommend arch if you have any goals other than setting up arch, fwiw
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:14:05 JST Mr. Bacon

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     Well, what i realized the more i dig into pleroma/instances there's so many fucking directories and random shit that I never touch lol.
     
     The fact postgress wants the db to live at /var/lib/postgresql/16/main and my db lives on a volume and I have to change config files to point media to the right place, then go to /var/lib/postgresqul/config files to change stuff is super annoying.
     
     Idk. Just seems like a bunch of nonsense all around. It would be nice to have an OS with less random bullshit installed all over the place.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:14:05 JST pwm

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     @Tony You will eventually get a gut feeling for where certain files "should" be. User configuration for system wide programs, those are usually in /etc/<program>/<somefile with a particular name>.{conf,yaml,toml,json,etc}
     Internal program data usually lives in /var/lib/<program>
     Software I build and install I usually put in /opt
     etc etc etc. The directory sprawl is sort of cultural and will get less weird the more you interact with it.
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:53:09 JST pwm

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     @coolboymew @Tony @mitchconner @Hoss @sunmcnukes can't use more than seven letters in a word, limitation of storing string lengths in a byte.
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     cool_boy_mew (coolboymew@shitposter.world)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:53:10 JST cool_boy_mew

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     @mitchconner @Tony @pwm @Hoss @sunmcnukes who the fuck is called Patric without a k
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     Nice Mitch Conner (mitchconner@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:53:11 JST Nice Mitch Conner

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     Excuse me, this was from the XP era.
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     Nice Mitch Conner (mitchconner@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:53:12 JST Nice Mitch Conner

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     The desktop of a gentleman
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     Mr. Bacon (tony@clew.lol)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:53:12 JST Mr. Bacon

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     the desktop of windows 1998 smh
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     SunMcNukes (sunmcnukes@shitpost.cloud)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:53:13 JST SunMcNukes

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     And both are better than shitty spyware Fedora.
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     Nice Mitch Conner (mitchconner@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:53:13 JST Nice Mitch Conner

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     I remember taking the bus to Barnes and noble to get my hands on fedora core CDs back in the day hahahah
     
     Bluecurve brought the boys to the yard
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     pwm (pwm@darkdork.dev)'s status on Saturday, 03-May-2025 13:53:28 JST pwm

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     @coolboymew @Hoss @Tony @mitchconner @sunmcnukes you have to save one for the null terminator or else things get all fuckywucky