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   Raghav Agrawal (impactology@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Apr-2025 23:59:10 JST Raghav Agrawal

   Mental health apps should be connected with career counsellors and creative problem solvers — with entrepreneurs, with career transitioners people who took extreme risks in life, faced hopeless situations, survived and now thrive

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Tuesday, 22-Apr-2025 23:59:10 JST Adrianna Tan

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     @impactology these are called life coaches, popular career for many former entrepreneurs and they have caused a ton of harm without sufficient mental health training or licensing. They have formed cults and hurt people. You see it all over now

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Apr-2025 00:37:17 JST Adrianna Tan

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     • Jonathan Yu

     @jawnsy @impactology in parts of the world with strict licensing and training (like the programs that my wife is in) the experience (3000 hours of training) plus clarity of what you can and cannot do (similar to a hippocratic oath) is really massively better than unlicensed and bad mental health service i've had elsewhere. i recently heard of some trained psychologists who specialize in working with entrepreneurs.

     a normal founder with no mental health training is far less useful to me for my own mental health needs, despite having also been a founder myself. probably even actively harmful. i would not valorize them in any way or attribute their success or skills in one area to this really important one.

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     Raghav Agrawal (impactology@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Apr-2025 00:37:18 JST Raghav Agrawal

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     • Adrianna Tan

     @skinnylatte licensed therapists are also no panacea though, especially for depression related to career related fuck ups and decisions they can be useless

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     Jonathan Yu (jawnsy@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Apr-2025 00:37:18 JST Jonathan Yu

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     • Adrianna Tan

     @impactology @skinnylatte I guess that therapists and coaches are human, too

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Apr-2025 00:43:35 JST Adrianna Tan

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     • Jonathan Yu

     @jawnsy @impactology in Silicon Valley and San Francisco, many founders and entrepreneurs are mostly psychopaths. I don’t use this lightly. They aren’t ’rebels’ or people who teach themselves things anymore, they are actively The Establishment.

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Apr-2025 00:46:20 JST Adrianna Tan

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     • Jonathan Yu

     @impactology @jawnsy the therapeutic alliance is important. In Singapore I could not find any therapists who had experience in entrepreneurship because nobody is an entrepreneur there. Mental health training was also bad. It was bad all around.

     Finding a good therapist is like interviewing people for a job. They don’t all do the same thing.

     Talking to other founders made me feel worse by far, and their recommendations would have brought me down a darker path (just hustle further).

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     Raghav Agrawal (impactology@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Apr-2025 00:46:21 JST Raghav Agrawal

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     @skinnylatte @jawnsy

     I connected with a therapist two months ago when I was on the verge of giving up because of career decisions that makes me feel unemployable (feel less so today compared to at that time). Therapist's response to my narration was basically : sorry can't help you

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     Adrianna Tan (skinnylatte@hachyderm.io)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Apr-2025 00:56:51 JST Adrianna Tan

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     @impactology @jawnsy not in SF: lots of psychologists also go into it after a career in tech or whatever. Lots of people change jobs here late in life. There are more paths, and more tools. I don’t really see that much in Asia.

     Psychology as a field needs to be better and more accessible and varied, but coaching is not the answer. I continue to believe we will see more harm from it in they take on mental health aspects. Coaching for career is a whole other thing.

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     Raghav Agrawal (impactology@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 23-Apr-2025 00:56:52 JST Raghav Agrawal

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     @skinnylatte @jawnsy

     Helping people change their concrete circumstances due to unusual life decisions is out of syllabus work

     (Cntext : I'm entering corporate workforce at 30, I'll be a 30 year old fresher)

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