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   Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:29:03 JST Fish of Rage
   I really hate the EFF now, they are so full of shit
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:29:58 JST iced depresso

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     @sun i've seen one or two weird takes but they seem mostly correctly intentioned if utterly ineffective
     
     what did they do this time
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:30:40 JST Fish of Rage

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     @icedquinn you'd probably disagree with me on this issue but they're whinging about a bill that says you can't e2ee minor communication on social media
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:31:05 JST Fish of Rage

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn they are phrasing it like the demand is crazy and impossible instead of possibly just bad.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:32:05 JST Fish of Rage

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     @whiteline just phrasing their complaint in a way to make it look like something asked is impossible when it's clearly not
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     whiteline (whiteline@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:32:06 JST whiteline

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     @sun what have they done that caught your ire
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:32:25 JST iced depresso

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     @sun whoever is sponsoring the bill, just shoot them now. they're a fascist.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:32:46 JST iced depresso

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     @sun literally don't need to know anything other than they invoked "for the children" for something, which is hitler 101.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:33:20 JST Fish of Rage

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn your reflexive rejection is nonsensical too because things that are related to children can certainly invoke children.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:34:34 JST Fish of Rage

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn children are not entitled to perfect privacy, full stop
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:34:46 JST iced depresso

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     @sun my blob florida is over there unironically posting about how we need child labor to keep up taxes for desantis to give to his wife the US government does not and has never once cared about children.
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:37:28 JST iced depresso

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     @sun you don't even have a child and you're already willing to sell everyone down the river to hitlerian incrementalism.
     
     you are the problem
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:38:23 JST Fish of Rage

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn the law is bad but don't tell me that flagging a minor account "don't e2ee" is some kind if impossible mission
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:39:22 JST feld

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     • whiteline
     @sun @whiteline It is impossible because it would require age verification which then causes privacy problems for adults
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:39:35 JST Fish of Rage

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     • iced depresso
     @icedquinn like just don't lie to me, don't bullshit me, don't hysterically wave your arms and misrepresent that literally almost every service is already not e2ee so optionally not doing it
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:40:18 JST Fish of Rage

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     • feld
     @feld @whiteline age verification is coming, it is unstoppable because the lack of age verification online has always been arbitrary and nonsensical
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:41:50 JST Fish of Rage

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     @feld @whiteline it's crazy the contortions that we all have to go through because we don't have a working identity system for the internet. like banks having to deposit pennies in your bank account and have you read it back to verify you own it. am I the only one that thinks that's crazy?
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:44:06 JST feld

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     @sun @whiteline well, that's more about verifying account ownership so they don't deposit to the wrong one. It doesn't necessarily imply KYC.
     
     KYC is bad, I think we both agree with that.
     
     Do we want KYC-for-social-media? I don't know.
     
     Perhaps what I think would be acceptable is "if you're a corporation running a for-profit social media platform, you must KYC so you can do age verification etc etc"
     
     But if it's an open source / self-hosted social media or chat platform there should be no requirement for KYC
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:44:42 JST Fish of Rage

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     • feld
     @whiteline @feld I know, I am jealous of your system.
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     whiteline (whiteline@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:44:43 JST whiteline

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     @sun @feld
     
     we don't need a working identity system for "the internet", we need a digital ID that can be used to interact with governments and banks and so on
     
     in sweden we've already solved this problem entirely, it's just everyone else lagging behind...
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:45:40 JST Fish of Rage

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     @feld @whiteline
     
     > Perhaps what I think would be acceptable is "if you're a corporation running a for-profit social media platform, you must KYC so you can do age verification etc etc"
     
     Yeah. if you want e2ee learn PGP (someone make something better)
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:45:40 JST feld

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     @whiteline @sun do you want to be coerced under penalty of law to use and require that identity to register a Mastodon account though
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     ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware: (dcc@annihilation.social)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:46:49 JST ✙ dcc :pedomustdie: :phear_slackware:

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     • feld
     @sun @feld @whiteline >YOU VILLE VERYIFY
     No i don't think i will
     internet-serious2.jpg
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     whiteline (whiteline@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:46:51 JST whiteline

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     @sun @feld
     
     yeah but it's not tied to "the internet", but you can use it over the internet to identify yourself to government servers
     
     but having to actually have an ID for internet usage tied to your connection or device seems like a really bad idea
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:46:51 JST Fish of Rage

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     • feld
     @whiteline @feld I don't want it tied to the internet but it can be tied to commercial enterprises offering services.
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     7666 (7666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 05:58:34 JST 7666

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     @sun @icedquinn eagerly awaiting AES-256-GCM-CHILD
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     iced depresso (icedquinn@blob.cat)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 06:40:52 JST iced depresso

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     @mangeurdenuage @sun if i know the eff they probably had the same argument i did where this is just a mask the legislature is wearing.
     
     its performative at best and incrementalism at worst, it won't help any children. but it will make it easier to continue eroding rights.
     
     spying on children harder is moot because there are no meaningful interventions available.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 06:40:53 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     • iced depresso
     @sun @icedquinn Seems like what most journos are trained to format things.
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     Fish of Rage (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 08:24:38 JST Fish of Rage

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     @jeremiah @mangeurdenuage children aren't allowed to do that
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     Jezza™ (jeremiah@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 08:24:39 JST Jezza™

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     • mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:
     @mangeurdenuage @sun the state with legal whorehouses and gambling is concerned about children?
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 08:24:40 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @sun Is it this article you were reading ?
     https://www.eff.org/press/releases/reject-nevadas-attack-encrypted-messaging-eff-tells-court
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 08:49:32 JST feld

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     • whiteline
     @wowaname @sun @whiteline I wanted a Dick Tracy watch that could make calls and watch TV and stuff when I was a preteen; a smartphone would have been amazing
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     opal (wowaname@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 08:49:33 JST opal

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     • feld
     @sun @feld @whiteline i didn't even want a phone when i was a preteen
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     opal (wowaname@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Sunday, 13-Apr-2025 08:49:34 JST opal

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     @sun @feld @whiteline it shouldn't be online's responsibility to parent people's kids though, it's quite easy for all these hackjobs to abstain from sex until they realise they can, you know, not give their kid an online device