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   Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Saturday, 12-Apr-2025 00:35:34 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

   Please, never forget:
   
   This is who you're spending hours of your time arguing with

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Saturday, 12-Apr-2025 00:36:33 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     yes, on fedi too, you fucking fools
     
     they're on fedi and on matrix and on signal and on facebook and on linkedin
     
     what part of "you are not immune to propaganda" is difficult to understand?

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Saturday, 12-Apr-2025 01:34:21 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     • KateYagi

     @kateyagi@denden.world the "bunch of phones taped together" thing is for early-game trolling
     
     if you're really trying to push it, you'll have automated VMs with scripts pushing your propaganda and autocreating accounts like this video
     
     there's no real way for platforms to defend against it (enforcing hardware attestation would ban most of their legitimate users)

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     KateYagi (kateyagi@denden.world)'s status on Saturday, 12-Apr-2025 01:34:22 JST KateYagi

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     @jessew I remember seeing of video of one of those rigs that were a bunch of phones wired together for doing that with tiktok. I see twitter has less measures in place against that.

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     gperson@social.linux.pizza's status on Saturday, 12-Apr-2025 01:41:50 JST gperson

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     @jessew

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Saturday, 12-Apr-2025 01:41:50 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     • gperson

     @gperson@social.linux.pizza it was!!

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     gperson@social.linux.pizza's status on Saturday, 12-Apr-2025 01:41:51 JST gperson

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     @jessew (i thought this gif was funny)

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     gperson@social.linux.pizza's status on Saturday, 12-Apr-2025 04:17:55 JST gperson

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     @jessew Yay! 😄

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     Luna Lactea (jackemled@furry.engineer)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:11:22 JST Luna Lactea

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     • KateYagi

     @jessew @kateyagi How would hardware attestation ban most of their users when they're mostly normal people that have never installed a new operating system or gotten a part replaced?

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:11:22 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     • Luna Lactea
     • KateYagi

     @jackemled@furry.engineer @kateyagi@denden.world the trick is that most OEMs genuinely do not care about things like security, so a LOT of Android phones (especially the cheaper ones) completely fail all but the most basic hardware attestation, which can be trivially spoofed

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:12:39 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     • Luna Lactea
     • KateYagi

     @jackemled@furry.engineer @kateyagi@denden.world the state of Android hardware security is appalling once you look outside of Google's hardware (the Pixel phones) (for context Google develops Android, so they make use of all their security features)

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     Luna Lactea (jackemled@furry.engineer)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:13:04 JST Luna Lactea

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     @jessew bro's phone number is 999-999-9999

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     Luna Lactea (jackemled@furry.engineer)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:13:13 JST Luna Lactea

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     @jessew I'm not immune to propaganda but I am immune to influenza :neocat_bottom:

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:13:13 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     • Luna Lactea

     @jackemled@furry.engineer well that's still pretty hype

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:16:20 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     • Luna Lactea
     • KateYagi

     @jackemled@furry.engineer @kateyagi@denden.world the good thing about Android is that when done right, it can be the most secure operating system out there (beating iOS, mainstream Linux, Windows, etc) (depending on your threat model, of course "secure" is a very vague term)
     
     The bad thing is that the only vendor who does it about correctly is Google :neocat_woozy: (and you still need a fork of their stock OS like GrapheneOS to harden it further and remove the Google crapware)

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     Luna Lactea (jackemled@furry.engineer)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:16:21 JST Luna Lactea

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     • KateYagi

     @jessew @kateyagi Yeah I forgot how bad phones were :neocat_cry_loud:

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:36:01 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     • Luna Lactea
     • KateYagi

     @jackemled@furry.engineer @kateyagi@denden.world modern Android doesn't ask for admin permissions to install a package, because there's no such thing as admin on Android (root is disabled, even the system UI doesn't run as root)
     
     The permissions system is so strong that you can confidently install anything and it's very unlikely that it will be able to cause damage to your system

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     Luna Lactea (jackemled@furry.engineer)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:36:02 JST Luna Lactea

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     • KateYagi

     @jessew @kateyagi It hasn't been secure in a long time because it both stopped trusting the user to make security decisions about what access programs should have & started deciding that on its own (allow most things by default with no option to turn them off) & that it trusts the user too much to make security decisions (Google Play Protect is the same as Windows Defender's annoying ass little popups that do nothing to educate you on what the issue is). Modern Android doesn't even ask for admin privileges to install a package, which every other Linux based anything does, even your microwave oven!

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     Luna Lactea (jackemled@furry.engineer)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:38:25 JST Luna Lactea

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     • KateYagi

     @jessew @kateyagi I need Android 7, 8, & 9 back so bad. "Scoped storage is to protect your sensitive data :)" but it doesn't do shit because it still allows access to your home folder where your sensitive data is, & you can't selectively disable it for a trusted file manager to be able to put your sensitive files somewhere else!

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:38:25 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     • Luna Lactea
     • KateYagi

     @jackemled@furry.engineer @kateyagi@denden.world Android 9 still mounts the system partition as read-write 😭
     
     Those versions are far worse in terms of security than modern Android, there's no question about it

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     Jesse 🇫🇷 (jessew@mk.cpluspatch.com)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Apr-2025 23:40:57 JST Jesse 🇫🇷

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     • Luna Lactea
     • KateYagi

     @jackemled@furry.engineer @kateyagi@denden.world and yeah Google play protect is bullshit, "malware" on Android is basically just data stealers, it can't get root or brick your OS like on desktop OSes