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   翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 20:21:55 JST 翠星石

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   • Jezza™
   @mangeurdenuage @jeremiah @hakui Imaginary property does not exist and being a patent holder, copyright holder or trademark holder doesn't mean you own anything; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html
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     @hakui @jeremiah
     >how do you enforce your hypothetical desisting of using unethically collected data from your hypothetical free daemon
     By doing your best.
     Joke aside, there's no way to be certain and to fully mitigate that sort of issue. But the later is at least mitigable to a broader extent if the laws of your group allows for such requests.
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     mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius: (mangeurdenuage@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 20:21:56 JST mangeurdenuage :gnu: :trisquel: :gondola_head: 🌿 :abeshinzo: :ignucius:

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     @hakui @jeremiah When you think about it, it's the same issue that IP owners have with "piracy" they can only mitigate it and to be able to fully stop people from doing so means that nobody has proper control of their digital tools, which enables even more parasitic types of commerce and thus more reasons for why the structure of our civilization is crumbling apart.
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 20:21:57 JST 御園はくい

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     @mangeurdenuage @jeremiah >break it into small manageable chunks
     yes decentralizing power makes them unable to fuck up too much but it also makes them unable to enforce the "removal of data from data sets" thing that you were talking about, because, you know, their power is limited
     
     so back to the question, how do you enforce your hypothetical desisting of using unethically collected data from your hypothetical free daemon
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     @hakui @jeremiah
     >trusting your gov to not fuck it up like they fucked up every single other thing
     Gov = hierarchy of people/bureaucracy, and it's the same issue as the BBOM, you always get there, the only way we have to mitigate it is to have various process to break it into small manageable chunks.
     
     >and that's why your free daemon will remain hypothetical forever
     People will plant carrots if they do. If you acknowledge that people are influenced by various inherited behaviors, then you also acknowledge that the main reason humanity survived was cooperation.
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     @hakui @jeremiah
     >how are you going to enforce such removal
     The only way I see it is that commercial application would have to download and apply a gov database containing all the people who accepted/refused the usage of their data.
     
     That aside, again, a civilization who achieves this without the current horror would have much less issues and most probably such types of commerce would not be much a thing.
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 20:21:59 JST 御園はくい

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     @mangeurdenuage @jeremiah
     >trusting your gov to not fuck it up like they fucked up every single other thing
     :smug3:
     
     >That aside, again, a civilization who achieves this without the current horror would have much less issues and most probably such types of commerce would not be much a thing.
     and that's why your free daemon will remain hypothetical forever
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     御園はくい (hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 20:22:00 JST 御園はくい

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     @mangeurdenuage @jeremiah >legally demand data removal
     if it's free software the data set is going to be decentralized as well, how are you going to enforce such removal lol
     
     this is why proprietary daemons are running laps while your hypothetical free daemon is still having trouble tying its shoes
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     Jezza™ (jeremiah@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 09-Apr-2025 20:22:01 JST Jezza™

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     @mangeurdenuage so this would be great if it were libre?
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     @jeremiah It would still be evil as it's usage.
     But having AI that would be fully libre would mean many things.
     
     For example, socially speaking that would mean that either the population agree in all consciousness that their data was used to make public available software. Or it would mean that the software was able to be made with the violation of civil liberties.
     Meaning that people are ready for such tools.
     
     Another side to consider is that if this software would be AGPLv3 that would mean that you'd be able to know not only the source of who leaked X info to the AI but you could legally demand and enforce that data concerning yourself to be permanently removed and check it.
     
     etecetera...
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     >ohno.jpg
     >the proprietary neural network is actually fucking up humanity !
     Cry more, you were warned