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@Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS @WandererUber you're personally going to lose by paying 40% more in clothes.
America decided they were going to be the Imperial Sweatshop long ago. There is no plan to reshore clothes manufacturing made by Americans on good wages. At least not until they import infinity pajeets to make them!
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@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS This is true, but only because in the current alignment there's little to gain and too much to lose by being anti-American / anti-Semitic (is there a difference? LOLOLOLOLOL). Both material / status.
As material conditions worsen (i.e. bc of Energy prices) the balance will start to change.
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@MechaSilvio @WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS The question is "can they jail opponents until they import enough third worlders" - still an open question, but in general I think the more globally "you don't have to take infinite invaders" is popular - the harder it will be.
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@Jens_Rasmussen @MechaSilvio @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS That was my concern as well, but Silvio made a good point in that the status gain might be gone for those people.
I'm not sure if that's going to be enough, because there are NO elites except the americanized ones.
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@WandererUber @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS I'm very optimistic about Europe and Japan. Once America's economic power and hard power take a hit, the status obtained from being an "Americanized" person will be blown out.
Regression to the mean is back!
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@MechaSilvio @WandererUber @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS European leaders are all massively pro-semitic. Like Wanderer said, they have been instilled with the same values as American ones, the only distancing that happens is because "Orange man bad" and not something like "nationalism good".
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@MechaSilvio @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS Well market incentives were enough to offshore everything...
You're normally dead on about these things but I'd have liked to hear some more arguments. Whatever
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@WandererUber @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS yes, but incentives for outsourcing were changed very slowly over decades. China started making clothes until they industrialized more and more.
There were also non-financial incentives like peeling China from the Soviets and dispossessing American White workers.
I don't think we're seeing a reversal of that dispossession. Best we can hope is Orange Man fucks it so bad America loses power and has to soften its grips on Europe. This would be great for Europeans worldwide
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@MechaSilvio @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS I worry that Europe (and Japan, for that matter) don't have the political flexibility to profit from this. They're cracking down on dissent very hard and the American iron grip on political education has rotted out most original thought within the political class. There's practically nobody who could rise to the occasion.
Besides, onshoring is coming back whether or not he fails. If America loses power people won't be able to afford the imports.
I recall a Greer video or something where he said his advice to the Romans was just to help the middle ages come along gradually. They're coming either way. Trump is probably not consciously doing it, but it remains to be seen if he will make the transition less or more painful
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@MechaSilvio @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS >this is the most retarded way anyone could have thought about.
what like the formula they used or just disincentivizing imports in general?
>Being reserve currency allows America to export inflation worldwide.
I know, I hate America.
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@WandererUber @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS The Formula is retarded yes, so is making it across all products and punishing many of the vassals and allies.
MUH MARKET INCENTIVES are not enough for reshoring. Only sort of a National Socialism could achieve it. Requires a lot of synchronization between gov, corps and workers.
This will flop bigly
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@AsukaNeko @MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS I guess so. Is your point that you shouldn't try to disincentivize it because you won't get it 100% right day 1 or what?
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@WandererUber @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS you won't get it at all.
The main point you're missing is all those imported goods are not cheap...they're almost free. Being reserve currency allows America to export inflation worldwide.
There are ways to reshoring but this is the most retarded way anyone could have thought about.
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@MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS >There is no plan to reshore clothes manufacturing made by Americans on good wages.
I don't suspect they want "plans", they're just punishing companies for importing cheap goods from abroad in the hopes it will incentivize local production across the board. The so-called "muh free market" is supposed to fix it
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@WandererUber @MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS Made in USA clothing is sweatshops in south pacific protectorates.
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@MechaSilvio @WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS There will be people that don't like invaders but will support it because it's the more anti-american position.
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@WandererUber @MechaSilvio @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS Given the anti-Trumpian stance, and him being American, a different word than "americanized" might be needed to describe "philo-semitic homosexuals" in the near future.
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@bebe @MechaSilvio @Griffith @WandererUber Correct but its not the manufacturers(vietnam) that pockets the difference. Its the brand's importers(american)
So say LEVIS can literally eat the CIF BOSTON price. But will they be able to. Levis overheads gonna be gone.
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@MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS @WandererUber The thing with clothes though is they often have a huge markup. It costs $5 to make a pair of jeans over in Vietnam and then they sell them here for $50. It is one of the industries that tariffs make the most sense for, since they can afford to eat the cost entirely without raising prices. Thank you friend.
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@AsukaNeko @WandererUber @MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS https://support.royalapparel.com/hc/en-us/articles/360039210632-Where-are-you-located
So this is a lie?
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@MechaSilvio @WandererUber @AsukaNeko @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS What you don't get. "Almost Free" is actually quite expensive. That's what Poorly Made in China is about.
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@Eleutheria2 @AsukaNeko @WandererUber @MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS They are probably employing illegal labor to do this, but again - the question is "how much does this actually save in the aggregate" and when you kind of run the numbers on like strawberries, it's not a whole lot.
If paying someone a decent wage adds $5 to the shirt, I would be willing to buy less shirts to have a healthy culture in this country.
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@sickburnbro @AsukaNeko @WandererUber @MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS >$20 for a colored T-shirt in the "Sale" section
Ok, that's competitive with chainslop prices. Below boutique brand clothing store prices (I think, haven't been in one since high school). Still 50% polyester, but it's a start.
I like what they're doing here.
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@Eleutheria2 @AsukaNeko @WandererUber @MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS and of course the thing to note is, if you are paying more for the shirt, you'd probably be paying more for everything. But if everything is less throwaway, priority will be put on making things that don't break as soon as they are out of warranty.
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@AsukaNeko @sickburnbro @MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS Bro I played Delta Force recently goofing off with a buddy and that game is Tarkov, CS, BF and a RB6 coop campaign in one game and it's free. I really don't get how this has mixed reviews compared to the "originals", i.e. dogshit pumped out by westerners every year for 80 dollars. Probably some shit about muh f2p and hacking or whatever. I do not care, it's free!
also I LOVE MY 3D PRINTER AND MY WELDER, CHINA NO. 1!
Besides the obvious that 90% of our shit is already made in China by Chinese but when Western corps don't get their cut they start crying "nooo don't buy Chinese brands, buy ours that's made in the same factory and costs double" Yeah fuck you
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@sickburnbro @MechaSilvio @WandererUber @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS The myth is that China only makes cheap quality shit. They make good stuff too but naturally it costs more.
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@WandererUber @AsukaNeko @MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS What you're paying for is the QA. China doesn't give a shit if they sell you something that explodes, the factory will just export under a different name next week.
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@sickburnbro @AsukaNeko @MechaSilvio @Griffith @IAMAL_PHARIUS I disagree. There has been tons of Euro and American companies who basically did the same. Import cheap crap, spend on marketing and slap a new "brand" logo on it. This isn't a China thing.
There are reliable quality Chinese brands now. Many are b2b still but they are serving the Western consumer market now. Hisense, Huawei, Xiaomi to name a few.
It's the same development as with the Germans and their wares and later the Japanese. First, they do cheap stuff, then they get good and soon the "made in" label becomes a seal of reliability. China will probably not ever become a mark of high craftsmanship across the board, but Made in the US was never that to anyone either.
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