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   ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 17:49:58 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт

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   Hear me out cc @restful @ned @Humpleupagus
   
   There is an autistic science nigga that thinks that these plugins will do the same exact job for free than anything you can throw money at plugin wise. Thoughts?
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 17:49:57 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Yeah... They're just as good as ozone and the conpressor is equivalent to a waves ssl strip.
     
     I'm being sarcastic obviously. It really depends on the sound you're going for or the amount of work you want to do.
     
     Ozone can literally compare your track against another track and dial in a good starting place on a master, and can therfore assure more consistency across all tracks.
     
     Imitation analog channel strips, compressors, and saturation can really add body, especially if they allow some channel bleed like on a real console.
     
     Those plugins may be fine for some styles, but not rock.
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     And I'm not biased by the way and am very serious about style / ends. If it's the sound you want go for it. Fucking rewire a speak n' spell and make some noise. If you're doing EDM, it'll do something and maybe something interesting. But sometimes you need a flat head screwdriver and other times you need a socket wrench.
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     ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 19:02:47 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт

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     @Humpleupagus @ned @restful
     
     I've been going for
     
     1) A/B track reference, I've been starting with a free one by Mannix Audio
     
     2) TDR Nova
     
     3) TDR Nova
     
     4) TDR Nova
     
     5) Minimal Audio Rift
     
     6) SPL Iron
     
     7) TAL-Reverb
     
     8) Limiter No6 or fircomp2 which does have good built in limiter, so does Unlimited by Sonic Anomaly, plus Reaper might even have better tools....
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     Don't forget to analyze phases, and especially for two instruments in the same master channel that are within the same frequency range. If you're using midi, you'll have to jump it to analog first.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:10:10 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     > It's clearer than it was because I ducked the bass.
     
     That's the lazy way.
     
     And phasing has an effect at any frequency. That's science. Go ahead a make a comb at any frequency and tell me you don't hear anything. We have plugins that create phasing for effect and not just in the bass frequencies. Simply put, you clearly don't understand the physics and mechanics underlying sound production, and I'm not going to argue further. You're just wrong.
     
     What you're describing is the physical effect that too much bass has on a speaker diaphragm and how it effects the output of other frequencies on that physical medium, and the listener's perception thereof. That's not phasing.
     
     Phasing is the effect of the combined polarity of current in a wire has on the movement of the speaker diaphragm due to the simultaneous receipt of opposite currents.
     
     You can also have phasing in the air as between the monitors, but then you're brining in a lot into the calculation, i.e. the room, the materials, and output positioning. You can't control where the listener is though, so you can't worry about that, best you can do is a/b/c check, pink noise tests, white noise tests, etc.
     
     If I have multiple guitar tracks of the same riff to thicken the mix, they better be time and phase aligned or it kills the beef. The same is true when you have multiple mics on the same drum. Two mics have to especially be checked, because they may be mechanically reversed, or off due to positioning.
     
     If you want a mediocre mix, be lazy. If you want a crisp, punchy mix, you'll study the phases and adjust as possible given what you have. There are plugins to help compare tracks.
     
     Yes, nudging a 100 tracks takes time, but there's a reason Def Leppard's Hysteria took several months to engineer, and they did that before having all of the modern tools.
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     Temporary Name (restful@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:10:11 JST Temporary Name

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     @Humpleupagus @charlie_root @ned Phase is really important the lower you go. It doesn't really cause problems most of the time above 500 Hz. That's why so many EDM producers just duck the bass around the kick or at least filter out the lows in the bass (though that's a phase issue in itself). Oscilloscopes are so useful for understanding that. You can just alter the phase of things by putting an allpass at the frequency causing problems.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:17:53 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     You need to fix your mix. You shouldn't be doing that at during mastering.
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     ¢нαяℓιє яσσт (charlie_root@annihilation.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:17:55 JST ¢нαяℓιє яσσт

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     @Humpleupagus @ned @restful
     
     That's what I was thinking this bx_digital tool would be perfect for, I'm working more with synths so they are more precise, however I was warned to only make small incremental changes with M/S because too much can ruin a mix.
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     Temporary Name (restful@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:17:55 JST Temporary Name

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     @charlie_root @Humpleupagus @ned mid/side on an individual instrument can be used as an effect but with mastering what you're looking for is optimizing the stereo field. Track I'm mixing right now, I knocked the mid out completely on one track.

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     Temporary Name (restful@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:21:31 JST Temporary Name

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     @Humpleupagus @charlie_root @ned Most mastering engineers play with the mid side balance. When you're mastering you often don't have access to the stems. You're right though a perfect mix wouldn't need that.

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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:21:31 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     > When you're mastering, you don't have access to the stems.
     
     But you do. Fix it.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:30:24 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Throw it against a brick wall like a 35 year old women until it's as loud and obnoxious as a cat mom.
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     DeadDrudge (jeddrudge@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:30:25 JST DeadDrudge

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     Me when trying to get the final sound...: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch: :AAAAAA_glitch:
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:36:36 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     While there's always some clean up of the mix in that process, the way I view mastering when you have control of the mix is to make different tracks sound similar and to create transition between them, so as to make discrete tracks meld into a single work.
     
     People don't really produce "albums" any more, so it's becoming a lost art.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:46:50 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     It really is. Like I said in my reply way above.... if that's the sound you're going for, go for it.
     
     But in most genres there are some pretty standard approaches if you way that "sound". For example, in rock, hard panning guitars is very common, as is side chaining the bass drum to compressors on various tracks. Then there's the uncommon stuff that's discretionary. For example, I like putting an electronic kick with a band pass between 1000 to 2500k to lead the ear to the actual bass drum, to give the illusion of louder bass. The electronic pop shouldn't stick out though. It should just lead the listeners attention.
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     DeadDrudge (jeddrudge@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:46:51 JST DeadDrudge

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     Audio engineering seems to be one of the realms of the balance between art and science...
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     DeadDrudge (jeddrudge@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:55:50 JST DeadDrudge

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     Many routes to desired results... I just muddle through until it sounds "right", then it doesn't, then it does, etc... Reeeeeeee
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 06:55:50 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     I kinda have the "Machine Head" approach. Once you find a solid mix, you stick with it. You just throw new stuff on the tracks and adjust as needed.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 07:03:30 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     Just remember, if your shit is good enough, you can play like shit and mix it like a turd. Go listen to Appetite for Destruction. I won't argue about how great it is, but it's sloppy af.
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     ?? Humpleupagus ?? (humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 08:08:56 JST ?? Humpleupagus ??

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     My list would be the follow for mixing / mastering specifically:
     
     1. Def Leppard Hysteria
     
     2. Megadeth Countdown to Extinction
     
     3. Soundgarden Superunknown
     
     4. Machine Head The Blackening
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     DeadDrudge (jeddrudge@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 08:08:58 JST DeadDrudge

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     In my limited experience, these are two of my favorite albums, just based on engineering qualities:
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnYP4wuucbU&list=PL-iPemH1f623ZMFp7n3xlPpogunJJU6wr
     
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIDTTrnLhn8&list=PLB8FvXOFY2-CepoLxkzkAiS9zfz-2e2RQ
     
     That's based on listening to them on studio monitors... When the sounds travel UNDER you, well, that's interesting...
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     Sir Nedwood (ned@noauthority.social)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 09:41:54 JST Sir Nedwood

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     @JedDrudge @charlie_root @Humpleupagus @restful
     My reference list....
     1. Jamiroqui - Dynamite
     2. Dream Theater - Systematic Chaos
     3. Steely Dan - Aja
     4. Periphery - IV: Hail Stan
     5. Muse - The Resistance

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     DeadDrudge (jeddrudge@nicecrew.digital)'s status on Friday, 21-Mar-2025 09:41:55 JST DeadDrudge

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     Yeah, mine are more all over the place...