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   djsumdog (djsumdog@djsumdog.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 11:36:04 JST djsumdog

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   • Polychrome :blabcat:
   • Etam
   Yea it's pretty bad. I only use Gentoo, Void and Alpine on my systems .. and someone recently got a lot of patches merged in to get systemd working on musl, so it won't be long there (PostmarketOS, an Alpine derivative, already has a systemd option).
   
   I can agree Linux could have needed a better management layer. Systemd is not it. The target file service structure is fucking awful. The command line tooling is shit. None of the journalctl or systemctl options are intuitive. Why the hell do we need resolverd? It's nothing but failing DNS queries.
   
   dbus + NetworkManager + other modular stuff you can drop in is way better. systemd has modules, but all of them are required, none are optional and you can't just replace pieces of it. It's a god awful mess. People have tried to make alternative replacements and they can't because it's just too massive.
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     :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄 (bonifartius@qoto.org)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 11:36:05 JST :gnu:+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄

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     • Polychrome :blabcat:
     • Etam

     @etam @Polychrome
     > but other distros adopted it by themselves.

     maybe by placing MS double agents there too.

     > it solved a lot of problems that Sys V init had

     i had less problems _even_ with sys v - there are a plethora of other good init systems - than with lennartd.

     > added a lot of new features

     which are technical debt.

     > It's simply a superior technology.

     no. it's a burning heap of toxic waste.

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     Etam (etam@im-in.space)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 11:36:06 JST Etam

     • Polychrome :blabcat:

     @Polychrome
     "Lennart pushed most of the major distros to switch to systemd" - this is not true. He may have pushed it into RedHat (and by extent Fedora), but other distros adopted it by themselves. And for very obvious reason: it solved a lot of problems that Sys V init had and added a lot of new features. It's simply a superior technology.