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   lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Mar-2025 19:45:51 JST lainy
   > drew devault writes on intellectual property
   > "Marx loses me at historical determinism and the dominance of man over nature through dogmatic industrialization, among other things, but the labor theory of value is good shit."
   
   can't get a break with this guy
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Mar-2025 19:52:34 JST 翠星石

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     @lain https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/not-ipr.html
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     Râu Cao ⚡ (raucao@kosmos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Mar-2025 19:58:01 JST Râu Cao ⚡

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Mar-2025 19:58:45 JST lainy

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     > . Our capitalist system is largely based on a competing theory, the “subjective theory of value”, which states that value is defined not by the labor required to provide a product or service, but by market forces, or more concretely by the subjective value negotiated between a buyer and seller. I admit this theory is compelling when applied to some examples, for example when explaining the value of a Pokemon card. When it comes to intellectual property, however, I find it very unsatisfying, given that a laissez-faire free market would presumably evolve a very different approach to intellectual property. As such I think that intellectual property as a concept depends at least a little bit on Marx for its legitimacy, which I find very funny.
     
     i guess he's spot on with that, IP is socialism
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Mar-2025 20:11:25 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain @raucao do you think he would ever lower himself to read a competent critique of labor theory of value
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Mar-2025 20:12:53 JST lainy

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     @sun @raucao i wonder what he read. At least he mixes up property and value theories which have nothing to do with each other.
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     Blurry Moon (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Mar-2025 20:14:19 JST Blurry Moon

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     @lain @raucao yeah I noticed that. IP came from patents issued by kings right, there's not really a tight ideological theory for its origin except force imo
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     menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Mar-2025 20:25:16 JST menherahair

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     cringe marx:
     >as observable in history, fate is determined not by thought, but human condition
     >production efficiency is the natural outcome of understanding our surroundings, and by its merits contributes to their preservation better than that goal in itself
     cool marx:
     >don't copy my book it took effort to write it
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 00:28:10 JST lainy

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     • Kerosene ~suya~ CEO of DarkFedi
     @kerosene @menherahair
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     Kerosene ~suya~ CEO of DarkFedi (kerosene@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 00:28:12 JST Kerosene ~suya~ CEO of DarkFedi

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     @menherahair @lain cringe marx: being marxist
     cool marx: NEET-maxxing
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     Kerosene ~suya~ CEO of DarkFedi (kerosene@fsebugoutzone.org)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 00:51:16 JST Kerosene ~suya~ CEO of DarkFedi

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     @lain @menherahair I wish I also had a sugar-friend who game me money 😢
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     CrunkLord420 (crunklord420@clubcyberia.co)'s status on Thursday, 20-Mar-2025 03:14:40 JST CrunkLord420

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     @lain @raucao have you ever considered the idea that it should be illegal to pay more than market rate? Consumers should be punished for unoptimal behavior. This would fix the free market.