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   tante (tante@tldr.nettime.org)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2025 03:49:26 JST tante

   With Open Source/Free Software as well as Creative Commons we have build pipelines to contribute to the commons (great!) but we never thought about how to defend those commons against appropriation.

   That is why Open Source ends up massively benefitting corporations who don't give much back. That is also why Creative Commons has no interest in building more modular licenses that do for example prohibit training "AI" systems.

   It's the market-based, liberal idea that if there's a lot of stuff there someone will make some money, someone will fund a startup and that is what everything is about. We've been had.

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2025 03:49:23 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
     • Till Kamppeter

     @jwildeboer @tante @till No it wasn't.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2025 03:49:25 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     • Till Kamppeter

     @tante @till The whole concept of FOSS as established 30+ years ago was based on the concept of distribution and decentralisation. Of owning your computer and network resources. It didn’t anticipate the restaurative movement to centralisation with cloud etc. which is the new mainframe, IMHO.

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2025 03:53:45 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
     • Till Kamppeter

     @jwildeboer @tante @till To elaborate, the whole concept of Free Software, was based on the _individuals_ right to use a program, and improve it. It had nothing to do with decentralization, or distributed computing. Which was where the whole notion of Free software came about .. they are entirely compatible (depending on how you treat things). It had nothing to do with owning your computer, which was infinitely expensive, and unobtanium at that time.

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2025 05:08:38 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
     • Till Kamppeter

     @jwildeboer @tante @till The GNU GPL v1, was published in 1989, before that we had the Emacs public license. In 1991, home PCs where not "readily available" (despite being a lucky hacker, getting a 386 was impossible -- which is where I ran and ported early GNU/Linux -- it did not have TCP/IP .. let alone Ethernet).

     My first expose to free software was using RMS' account to login on AI, and reading the GNU manifest.

     I'd argue quite strongly that Free Software was indeed unobtanium ...

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2025 05:08:39 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     • Till Kamppeter
     • Alfred M. Szmidt

     @amszmidt I disagree but I won't get into this discussion about founding legends. GPL V2 was released 1991, when home computers and PCs were readily available and networks based on TCP/IP became more accessible. I compiled my first pieces of Free Software on an Atari 1040 STf, which was released in 1986 and quite powerful and not unobtainium, IMHO. @tante @till

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2025 05:10:22 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
     • Till Kamppeter

     @jwildeboer @tante @till I spent many nights just copying GNU stuff to floppies, nobody had any access to the Internet, let along .. knew what a computer could be useful for. Having an Atari, which I did not see long after Pentiums and what not showed up... was a luxury, or unobtanium.

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     Alfred M. Szmidt (amszmidt@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2025 05:19:09 JST Alfred M. Szmidt

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     • Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:
     • Till Kamppeter

     @jwildeboer @tante @till i was 13 then… and had a T1 into my bed room. This was only because my father worked at the local uni… before that I hacked the modem to call me back so i could initate a more or less peristant link without paying (the modem would disk back…). It was a different time. And anyone who had a computer let alone access to the Internet .. might as well livet on a different planet.

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     Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange: (jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net)'s status on Tuesday, 18-Mar-2025 05:19:10 JST Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

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     • Till Kamppeter
     • Alfred M. Szmidt

     @amszmidt In 1993 I started studying computer science at the Paderborn university with a 10 MBit ethernet connection in the student apartment. I guess I was really lucky :) At that time we were compiling and installing Free Software on SPARC stations in the university and on 80386 based PCs at home. @tante @till