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   SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:10:18 JST SuperDicq

   This summarizes my morning at work diagnosing issues after our server received an upgrade by the hosting provider over night.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:11:45 JST SuperDicq

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     When you spend an hour troubleshooting when all you had to do was systemctl restart systemd-resolved to fix your issue.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:15:20 JST SuperDicq

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     @takao@shitposter.world Sorry but I'm not going to install obscure distros like GNU Guix at work, I'll keep those to my personal computers.
     
     You know, just to consider collegues that might not know how to operate a non-mainstream distro?

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     :segasaturn: (takao@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:15:21 JST :segasaturn:

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     @SuperDicq have you considered purging your system of the Poettering-made malware?
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:17:02 JST SuperDicq

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     @takao@shitposter.world The entire stack from servers to the computers that we work on all run Debian.
     
     Debian is just one of those distros that basically everyone can like agree on in a way like "this is fine I guess".

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     :segasaturn: (takao@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:31:03 JST :segasaturn:

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     @SuperDicq >You know, just to consider collegues that might not know how to operate a non-mainstream distro?

     The weak should fear the strong.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:39:22 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @takao Debian is now unacceptable, as the only available installers are proprietary software and it installs proprietary software without asking the user.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:52:14 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world
     I agree FSF endorsed distros are better in the perfect world, but at my work I'm not a benevolent dictator who can demand that the entire company runs on RYF certified computers.
     
     I have made sure that Debian is our default operating system, which already makes me very happy because without me I'm certain that the default operating system at this company would have been either Windows or Mac OS otherwise. We unfortunately need some of the nonfree stuff that Debian provides to make our computers work.
     
     Also I still let people know that I do not think this is perfect in terms of software freedom, but I do not annoy them about it.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:55:18 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world Also I'm currently more focused on convincing my workplace to start releasing some of the software that we have developed for internal usage publicly under the AGPLv3 because I think these tools can be useful to other people as well.
     
     I believe this is more important that ensuring all the software within our organization is free.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 18:58:41 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world Also because I like to identify as a free software developer, while in reality most of the software that I develop at my dayjob is actually private internal software.
     
     There's nothing ethically wrong with private software, but I just prefer it to be free.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 19:36:56 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @takao I didn't mention any FSF-endorsed distros.
     
     Any distro that installs proprietary software without even asking is a distro that has utter contempt for humanity.
     
     There are plenty of distros that are not FSF-endorsed, but don't rip freedom away from the users as hard as Debian.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 19:45:32 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world There are plenty of distros that are not FSF-endorsed, but don't rip freedom away from the users as hard as Debian.Such as?

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 19:53:17 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @takao Gentoo, Mint and Ubuntu (the latter two unfortunately ship a proprietary version of Linux like Debian, but at least ask before installing further nonfree software).
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 19:55:08 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world What do you mean Ubuntu and Mint are better than Debian when it comes to this?
     
     They don't even have a clear separation in their repository and they install the Snap package manager by default which also contains proprietary software that does not ask the user.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 19:55:55 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world And yes I can agree on Gentoo being better than Debian, but I do not consider Gentoo to be something that I can expect my coworkers to use.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 20:32:40 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @takao Ubuntu and Mint and least ask before they install proprietary peripheral software.
     
     Snap is nasty, but you actually have to hit install on a proprietary snap package for it to be installed.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 20:36:10 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world Sorry I definitely don't agree with the statement "Ubuntu and Mint are more freedom respecting than Debian".

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:04:15 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @takao I didn't write that statement.
     
     Somehow, Ubuntu and Mint are less proprietary than Debian, although "free" is not the right word to describe any of those distros.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:04:44 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world I don't agree with "less proprietary" either.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:39:50 JST 翠星石

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     @sally @SuperDicq @takao Debian does make some effort to remove blatant proprietary software, but I don't believe they bother to remove suspicious arrays or proprietary software loading machinery - if that the case, it's hard to say Debian's version of Linux is free.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:39:52 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @takao
     
     That's a hot take coming from you. Debian kernels are clean by default, can't say the same from Mint or Ubunpoop.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:43:06 JST SuperDicq

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     @sally@freesoftwareextremist.com @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world I mean if you want a FSF endorsed version of Debian can't you just install PureOS?

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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:43:08 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @takao
     
     I mean they would be stupid if they didn't use the Linux-libre scripts to clean up upstream but considering the recurrent Ls from them I wouldn't be surprised something slips through the gaps. Even then you can still fetch a kernel from Trisquel repos, and install it on the chroot environment during the installation.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:43:43 JST 翠星石

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     @sally @SuperDicq @takao They use their own custom scripts rather than Linux-libre's scripts.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:45:18 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @sally@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world I do believe Debian's scripts initially were a fork of Linux-Libre's scripts, but I wonder if they are still very up to date and what they changed.
     
     Or maybe it was the other way around, I forgot.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:47:47 JST SuperDicq

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     @sally@freesoftwareextremist.com @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world Yeah indeed, I agree PureOS is kind of frustrating as they offer only GNOME out of the box and don't have a minimal install image for servers and such.

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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:47:49 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @SuperDicq @Suiseiseki @takao
     
     Too normie focused and inflexible (imagine being limited to GNOME out of the box), and I'm not a big fan of Purism as a business and organization (they're muritards), I don't trust them to not screw shit up on the long run specially when their own docs have been unmaintained for years, I'd rather pick Trisquel than PureOS, or just install Debian through cdebootstrap if I have to use Debian.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 21:49:14 JST SuperDicq

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     @sally@freesoftwareextremist.com @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @takao@shitposter.world PureOS isn't really meant as a general purpose operating system. It mostly just exists for Purism to ship on their devices really.