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   Jae (considermycat@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:46:33 JST Jae

   Have got three free months of Paramount Plus via my car insurance, which couldn't have come a moment too soon: Battlestar Galactica has delighted me enough, I feel – can't wait to get back to DS9 and other Star Trek stuff

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:46:24 JST silverwizard

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     @foolishowl @considermycat the fascinating thing is that the writers replaced the plan with "it's about the characters" and now that's standard writing advice, despite that being seen as a bad decision by all
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     FoolishOwl (foolishowl@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:46:26 JST FoolishOwl

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     @considermycat Yeah, that was really hard to believe.

     Overall, I found that series exasperating. They didn't just imply a planned overall narrative arc; the intro directly refers to it. Yet there wasn't one, and the showrunners eventually admitted they were winging it with no direction. They dropped hints about the supposed narrative arc and literally *forgot* until fans asked about them.

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     Jae (considermycat@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:46:27 JST Jae

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     "It is the year 4985, and queer people still don't exist. No, not even Starbuck, how could you even *think* that?"

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     Jae (considermycat@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:46:28 JST Jae

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     Quite impressive how BSG manages to fall even more egregiously than Star Trek into the USian sci-fi trap of "It is the year 4985, and humanity is still organising itself according to the basic structures of the United States Constitution"

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     Jae (considermycat@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:46:29 JST Jae

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     The Star Trek franchise will never let me down with terrible character and plot decisions like that, no sir-ree /jk^∞

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     Jae (considermycat@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:46:30 JST Jae

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     Then I read ahead and saw that a bunch of characters are later revealed – gasp! –  to have been Cylons all along (including Tyrol and Tigh), and like: nope. If you're going to end up doing that to me, I'm out.

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     Jae (considermycat@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:46:31 JST Jae

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     The final straw was Cally shooting Boomer at the end of S2E4. I literally sat there saying "No, she didn't. She didn't do that." It just felt cynically plot-driven rather than character-driven

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     Jae (considermycat@eldritch.cafe)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:55:00 JST Jae

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     @silverwizard @foolishowl But then you do need to have the characters behave in believable ways, rather than just pushing them around to keep things exciting for Sweeps Week

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     silverwizard (silverwizard@convenient.email)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 01:55:34 JST silverwizard

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     @considermycat @foolishowl *very* character writing is part of a good story! but don't throw out your plot!
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     FoolishOwl (foolishowl@social.coop)'s status on Thursday, 13-Mar-2025 03:43:50 JST FoolishOwl

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     @silverwizard @considermycat With BSG, the overall plot was both incoherent, and arbitrarily overrode the characters' intentions. I kept waiting for revelations of who was behind the arbitrary disasters, and no one was. They just kept throwing in disasters with the implication that someone was behind them, but no one was.

     There was also some frustrating things where the showrunners, in interviews, drew equivalences that didn't seem equivalent at all.

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