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is there anyway to stop the profit-motivated product and service economy transformating into the rent-based middleman economy with a annual/monthly/weekly subscription model that is very quickly becoming the primary EVERYTHING in EVERY feature of life in the 'collective west'? is there a even a chance of this NOT happening? is there even a way to reverse the damage and trajectory?
any PC work software (office, adobe, etc)
any entertainment software (movies netflix&co, music spotify&co, video games microsoft&co)
postal services (weary emoji)
food access, grocery access,
tech gadgets (monthly headphone subscription, montly IPhone subscription to get a "free" new iphone annually)
clothes
cars(subscription based cars, both rentals and owning a car as a service)
printers (printify)
finding a fuck partner software
ideally NOT finding a life partner through software, as a cure is worse than a treatment; a painkiller is worse than the vitamins; the money 10X-d through subscription models is better than a one time sale.
DO NOT GOOGLE "BUMP BOXES"
and the fucking feature of SHOPPING INSIDE SOCIAL MEDIA, oh god
youll pay more for the middle man, get less service, the actual product/service provider gets less. no, not "youll pay", you already do pay
somehow its okay though, BUT ITS NOT AAA
i dont like what has happened, i dont like whats happening, i dont like whats going to be happening
i dont like technofeudalism
i dont like how the term to describe this is made by one of the MOST RETARDED communists from greece
the people who recognize whats happening, offer their solution, and the solution isnt "lets take a few steps back and put in something to break this apart what were doing, find a compromise that doesnt have this insanity power grabbing built in to be excecuted within a hand's fingers worth of years", but "its time for deathcamps and actually i just want to kill everyone around me, both related and unrelated to the issue im solving. i actually just hate X group based on Y attribute as my primary motivator".
At the same time, with reference to my first paragraph; can this even be prevented without life-time jailing and/or executing every single person with valuation above 1+billion dollars?
FUCK i really do not want technofeudalism to become a feature at all permanent in any way
if i could eradicate all the spotifies (or just 1 of them) off of the world i would absolutely immediately hit that magical button, even if it caused a -80% stock market drop failure
i dont want capitalism to be destroyed by technofeudalism, but i think capitalism mightve already been destroyed in many first-world (cold-war-era-definition, for clarity) countries and the loss of capitalism is going to be much more long term in many places than i want to know.
i am truly afraid of these thoughts
i think the people who think that "youll own nothing and be happy" is a good feature, 99.9% of them think that the capitalist model of corporations would NOT change with the private person's ownership life changes. And i would sometimes think that way too years ago. "Less effort, less risk, less problems for the consumer", and simultaneously think "nothing changes for the workman, the entrepeneur, that status quo remains. capitalist corporation status quo stays same". And this seemed very ok to me, i couldnt understand why this was bad from an ethical stand point for the longest.
But what happens is that capitalist corporations will die too, because its more efficient to own nothing as a corporation as well. Including not owning your own workers, but using them as throwaway gig workers. The only workers you need, are the owners, to collect the money, and the workers necessary to maintain the services/actions that transfer money around. Capitalist corporations are no longer the strongest corporations in the world.
Spotify is not a capitalist corporation. It doesnt own its workers, it doesnt own its products, it leases them (from other non-capitalist middle-man corporations that may or may not own the product, but 0% certainly actually produce the product and 0% certainly do not own the workers that made the product/service). There is practically no wage labour happening in spotify. Rather, most artists see negative wage labour from using Spotify as a servicing middleman. Spotify has NO PRIVATE OWNERSHIP of most of its assets let alone it's product/service producing workers! Spotify is NOT directly profit motivated! it is Market share value motivated, by undercutting the market infinitely with infinitely repeating investor money from external sources. Spotify's goal is to destroy market competition, in which it mostly succeeds with. All this is one-to-one translateable to Amazon. Spotify does not make a profit. It holds power by force of market share. The price of spotify and their payouts, are in almost 0 ways affected by the market's competition. Spotify didnt make a profit ONCE for a SINGLE YEAR since 2006, until 2024 when it reached enough of a monopoly in certain world regions.
Amazon was the first to pioneer successfully this new way to do this. Most certainly, the extremeness of the success was probably not possible to be predicted by even jeff bezos himself. In the year 1994 he made amazon, and made not a profit until 2003. But his goal wasnt profit, but market share. Thanks to new technology, it could be done. And it wasnt a bad thing neccessarily at the time. But from a nice moderate thing, its become an extreme variant of it's initial set out goal by jeff bezos; Growth for growth's sake, with 0 care for initial profit for years, even decades, until X% of the market share was aquired. Now that formerly nice proficatble X%, is now a monopol worthy %.
so, to reiterate the very first paragraph:
IS IT POSSIBLE TO RETURN TO CAPITALISM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE? or must we suffer through a very long and intense decades long era of technofeudalism, with the new generation of people growing up 20 years from now who can stop this, as all great generational leaps have required in past precedented history? an era of nothing but evil middle men leading the first world
i watched a blog video from my favourite youtuber and it upset me and now i wrote this post into the ocean of messages in bottles
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@lebronjames75 I think it is a pendulum and will swing back somewhat.
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@lebronjames75 I think service stuff is permanent but within ten years we'll see more paid local only products. I wouldn't hold breath, they are gonna push subscriptions hard while the USA is having economic trouble
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@sun it most certainly will. but when? i want it to hit back today. Not in 30+ years
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@lebronjames75 the problem is that they really do need an economic model that keeps the company going to get improvements, but consumer also doesn't want changes for changes sake to keep charging. I keep thinking that eventually we could have nonprofit or benefit corporation for keeping a single product going
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@sun @lebronjames75 any subscription can be changed into a one-time payment by putting the equivalent amount of money into an interest bearing asset, e.g. at 5% return a $50 a year subscription is equivalent to a $1000 one time payment.
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@sun makes me most scared for the path of the near-year futures of first-world countries, especially because my thought process is that "the easiest solution is just return to 2000 era capitalism" which just means returning to step 1 and repeating history in an unpleasant way.
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@lain @lebronjames75 part of what I'm concerned about too is nonprofit capture and suddenly the company is just making changes to keep the subscription alive.
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@lain @lebronjames75 how would you keep a project in maintenance mode forever? Like say, I like OpenBox. It's basically a done program. I just need somebody to keep it working and in repos on every distro
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@sun @lebronjames75 i don't really understand the question. i don't think there's a generic way to keep everything that would be nice alive. otherwise you have the usual options, doing it yourself, having a group of people volunteer to do it, or hire someone to do it.
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@lain @sun i will depict this concept you posted as a chad vs virgin meme and present a compelling argument simultaneously:
the 60 year-long-investment guru virgin with a million dollars vs the 2 week venture capitalist billionaire nouvaueueue rich-fuck chad
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@lebronjames75 @sun btfo
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@why interesting word play in the last meme sentence i like
i also believe in a UBI being remotely possible, so yeah "mb" as long as its weak enough UBI, but they are gay nerds of 0 value who seem to front this stuff usually so i dont see it happening cause of that V_V
i think we just need a REAL bitcoin, one thats used as money not as a commodity, and it will solve all our problems (whoops i just made another shitcoin instead oh well i tried)
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@lebronjames75 not sure what take to give here. robot jobs are gonna twist the knife until legislation is made. the UBIcels may be right but theyre gay nerds. and it wont destroy class structures anyways, even socialism couldnt do that.
so idk, how many subscription-only things are really gonna stick around? i always hear normalfags say "yeah i havent seen severance bc i dont wanna do apple tv". doesnt really seem like a long term maintainable new world order to me but maybe with enough propagandizing it could work idk.
anyways gonna cancel my water subscription i never liked taking showers anyways
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@lebronjames75 @why monero
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@lebronjames75 inside me are two wolves:
-the gay pagan anarcho schizo who wishes nothing but to reject mankind and embrace absolute nature
-and the catholic community truster tradition respecter who despises nature and eliminates it with inventions/imagination
that one is also gay
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@lebronjames75 "everything gets worse" is an important mechanic to keep "wake up and go to work" moving. i dont think any system with be without those two things, even if we eliminate work and put everyone on antidepressants
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@why its the only way to make nature our absolute bitch
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@sun @lebronjames75 @why I shill monero irl (usually at work)
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@mangeurdenuage @lebronjames75 @sun sure, why not
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@lain @lebronjames75 @sun Is it a proper exchange tho ?
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@lain @lebronjames75 @sun Perpetuities are fun!
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