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   R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 03:51:12 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

   #meme #github #GithubCopilot #GPLViolation #CodeLaundering #LossyPNG

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     Caroline Joy Bell (halotroop2288@tech.lgbt)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 03:51:10 JST Caroline Joy Bell

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     @RL_Dane this is more reason for me to choose GitHub. I want my code to help developers have faster workflows. My code is OPEN because I want it to help others!

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     fu (fu@libranet.de)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:08:13 JST fu

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     @RL_Dane In order to steal something the one from who is stolen need to no longer have it. Copying isn't stealing. The whole reason the GPL exists it an attempt to confirm the users' natural right to what they use whilsts big government backed "copyright" still exist. Even rms himself has indicated that we hope to one day destroy all licensing once we have enough Free Software.
     
     Now if you have believe workers and bosses at Microsoft are making changes to GPL'd code and not making those changes available in anyway, or delivering products or services that contain GPL'd code and not informing users of their rights, thats a discussion worth having, but labeling it as stealing is, at the very least, disingenuous.
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     Microsoft :verified: (microsoft@brands.town)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:10:07 JST Microsoft :verified:

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     • Mahmoud - محمود
     • koehr

     @RL_Dane @Koehr @mahmoudajawad
     We recognize your concerns. Our support team will be in contact shortly.

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:10:08 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Mahmoud - محمود
     • koehr

     @Koehr @mahmoudajawad

     I think a big problem (and I'm saying this as a total novice to the source code revision management game) is that #GitHub != #Git, and that is causing some real confusion.

     Once again, #Microsoft has managed to #EmbraceAndExtend and break both compatibility, and the mental concept of what git actually is. And they didn't even create GitHub, although I wonder if it was more of a vanilla Git service before they bought it out.

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     koehr (koehr@mstdn.io)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:10:11 JST koehr

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     • Mahmoud - محمود

     @mahmoudajawad @RL_Dane I love sourcehut but one might need a while to get used to it coming from Github or similar services. There are no Pull/Merge Requests but patches. There is an issue tracker and build tools and so on, but they are more separated and flexible.

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     Mahmoud - محمود (mahmoudajawad@mastodon.online)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:10:13 JST Mahmoud - محمود

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     @RL_Dane what about #SourceHut? How does it compare to github?

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:11:13 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • koehr

     @Microsoft @Koehr @mahmoudajawad

     Fantastic troll. You really had me for a solid minute. Bravissimo!

     Definitely check out Let's Encrypt for your website, though!

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:11:34 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • TheFrenchGhosty

     @TheFrenchGhosty @Codeberg

     Not being critical or telling you what to do, but don't you think you're kind of saying, "The perfect solution is not ready yet, so I'm going to stick with what's (ethically) the bloody worst one, because it's convenient?"

     Ok, that sounded really critical. I'm just trying to poke your thinking process, but again, I totally understand you have MANY variables to consider, and this isn't something to leap into without circumspection.

     #Qapla!!!

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     TheFrenchGhosty (thefrenchghosty@libretooth.gr)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:11:43 JST TheFrenchGhosty

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     @RL_Dane @Codeberg Codeberg is good, but is starting to become the centralized non-GitHub and non-GitLab forge. Replacing a single forge with another single forge isn't a solution... even then, Codeberg has a lot less users than GitHub.

     So yeah, Gitea federation is needed, but it's not here yet, so GitHub is basically the only option if you want contributions.

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:11:44 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • TheFrenchGhosty

     @TheFrenchGhosty

     I confess I'm not deeply versed in git, but is @Codeberg an option? What about some way to export a repo to another host?

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     TheFrenchGhosty (thefrenchghosty@libretooth.gr)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:11:45 JST TheFrenchGhosty

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     @RL_Dane Sure. Except the contributors are on GitHub.

     Gitea federation isn't there yet, so GitHub is the only viable option.

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     Caroline Joy Bell (halotroop2288@tech.lgbt)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:56:25 JST Caroline Joy Bell

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     @RL_Dane You ever consider that maybe others have a different definition of "bad"? Like I believe that things are bad if it harms people.

     Stealing isn't inherently "bad." And I don't believe in the notion that information can be owned or that it should be hidden. So it can't be "stolen."

     Leaking is good for everyone. It doesn't cause harm to people, but it might harm the greedy interests of copyright abusers.

     Copilot is good for everyone.

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     R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd: (rl_dane@fosstodon.org)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-2022 06:56:26 JST R. L. Dane :debian: :openbsd:

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     • Caroline Joy Bell

     @halotroop2288

     You can choose to make your code available under any license, such as CC0 or even Public Domain.

     The fact that those who have chosen (*their* choice) to license their code under some variant of the GPL or even BSD/MIT/ISC and Microsoft/GitHub is *stealing* that code with zero credit or attribution is not ok.

     Helping people is good. Being stolen from so that you can help people is bad.

     Please don't enable the bad.