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   Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:02:57 JST Chris ABRAHAM

   Don't forget: Trump is actually targeting anti Trump federal workers. This is a non-lethal stalinist purge of nevertrumpers and antitrumpers so defying/ignoring the email is exactly what Trump wants so much for you to do. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/26/us/politics/trump-doge-federal-worker-layoffs-memo.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:02:56 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris Which is exactly why the directives need to be department wide not to respond. If trump wants to fire them it would need to be the entire agency collectively pro and antitrump combined.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:30:57 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris Huh, how ya figure. You said he wanted to fire anti-trump people. If the War department refuses to respond and the 50% of his supporters that are there are fired along with the 50% against him, and there is no war department left, how does that work in his favor?

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:30:59 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo the same people who universally do not respond are the same exact people Trump wants to fire. It's a beautiful plan you have there!

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:48:58 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris The pro-trumper doesnt have a choice, the boss controls their email, and their email. The boss can both 1) not pass on the request from musk at all and 2) block any outgoing emails to respond even if musk directly sent them an email somehow.

     Again it works cause it is universal. Your boss in charge controls your email always.

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:49:00 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo Pro-Trumpers wouldn't see that email and say "fuck no" they would say "fuck yes!" And, by responding on Saturday right away, they won't be in trouble because, chain of command, they ALL work at the pleasure of the President, Trump. It's the perfect plan. Pro-Trump people wouldn't say "how dare you" or "I can't believe it" or "Fuck Drumph/Trumpt or whatever--Hitler!--they would hit reply, they would have CC'd their manager, and they would have sent back the last 5 things they did. No?

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:49:01 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo because that 50% that were in support of Trump probably responded to the email on Saturday right after they received it. Oh captain my captain... that's why Elon sent the email on Saturday: do chain of command and managers would be taking their weekend. Genius, really. All the FOT would already probably have followed their actual boss, the US President, so, the Friends of Trump probably responded immediately. Because their defiance muscle would not be triggered.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:54:50 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris

     Still makes no sense.. the boss needs to send them the email to begin with, and even if musk somehow got it directly the boss is control of the email so can block any outgoing email to musk quite easily. So not sure how that makes any sense.

     Moreover, its not like trump even has access to all their names and emails, the government is specifically designed so he doesnt for exactly this reason (I speak as someone who worked in the IT of government agency and know first hand). Compartmentalization is why even the president isnt privy to top secret information he doesnt have an explicit need to know on, as an example.

     @yafa

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:54:51 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @yafa @freemo just what I would have done. Defiance in responding is defiance to the President and it probably means you don't accept that your job is at the pleasure of the president and that you serve only at the pleasure of the president. It's a GORGEOUS self-fulfilling prophecy. The EXACT "uppintiness" that Elon purged at Twitter are the EXACT same people MAGA wants to purge from the Executive/Federal ranks. Seems 101 logic to me.

     One SHOULD have TROJAN HORSED it but the HUBRIS is too much

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     Your assigned federal agent (yafa@poa.st)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:54:52 JST Your assigned federal agent

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     @freemo @chris That's a really good idea. That way, the people who are more loyal to Trump than their department will respond while the people who are more loyal to their department than Trump will choose NOT to respond. This would allow him to purge disloyal institutions even faster. Brilliant suggestion. I'll be sure to send it along.
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 04:03:17 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris And thus why you cant rely on media as a source of fact.

     The process was elon mailed each department head, and then the department heads had to pass on those emails. The emails federal employees got was largely (with a few exceptions) from their boss on behalf of elon and not directly from Elon.

     Again actually working in government (or in my case still having those connections) makes that obvious, he wouldnt even have it.

     Attached is an example of what that email looks like, notice who it is from.

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 04:03:19 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo the instructions were clear: the emails were sent directly to the Federal employee by "Elon Musk" (it happened two weeks ago for the asking of people if they wanted to be furloughed with pay until Sept and early retirement, etc. And then again to 1.9 or 2.9 million emails... the "pulse check" so maybe I am mis informed and maybe you are.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 04:44:55 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris Ill check with my connections and see if i can get a screenshot. You could be right. But if that is the case he would miss the overwhelming majority of federal employees, and maybe that is the case.

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 04:44:57 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo he's SENDING it to the ENTIRE list via OPM.. that's not just a department head... OPM is Office of Personnel Management. That's the UMBRELLA HR department of the entire federal government. Maybe you didn't know that.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 04:56:07 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris I would have been glad for that as well, as always. Though as you can see from this post after calling my friend in IT and doing some further research it seems I was correct afterall:

     https://qoto.org/@freemo/114077599767555260

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 04:56:08 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo either way I am glad I corrected your intel if I am right so that you can move forward with proper intel. I am just a clown here in Arlington, I don't actually have any juice at all.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 05:51:16 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris

     So maybe we were talking over eachother then, because this is what I was saying, ultimately musk jsut forwarded it to each department head, and this was disseminated through lists, he did not have their emails directly or even their identities.

     So back to my original point, the department head is the one in control of those lists, they are operated by their department. Ultimately if they refuse the order as the department head, they simply would not allow it to go out on the list in the first place. None of the employees in that department would get the email, and musk would have no idea who to fire as he doesnt have their direct emails or even identities, only the department head has that.

     Like I said, the government is compartmentalized.

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 05:51:18 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo yay! I am so smart!
     > Yes! The emails show relay pass-offs through agency-specific gateways (NOAA, NIH) before reaching federal employees. This confirms all agencies got the same email, just routed via internal security layers, a method used historically and still today. Federal email isn’t universal—it’s relayed, filtered, and verified between departments, just like old-school gatewayed email systems. Your memory of email relay systems is spot on!
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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 05:56:06 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris

     They are automatic, but not just anyone can email to them. If your email address is in the organization it willr elay automatically. If it is not, then it gets flagged for approval by the admins and must be allowed into the system.

     Absolutely no one has the ability to auto-email every single federal employee, that would be an absolutely gross violation of security. The systems ultimately are gatekept for that very reason and external emails must have admin approval to get relayed.

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 05:56:08 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo @adam And I am saying that they went through automatic gateways and relays so we're still disagreeing. :)

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 21:14:48 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris

     Again, worked there, not how it works. As I said it doesnt matter if its "signed" and "encrypted".. **all** external emails need admin approval, there is no signing and encrypting to bypass this.

     @adam

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 21:14:49 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo @adam because DOGE is an official department in the OPM, I guarantee that the hr@opm.gov email was properly signed and encrypted and so I am sure it sliced through the network like a hot knife through butter. And I am root.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 21:19:22 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris @adam

     You seem to be missing the main point... no one, not even the president has the ability to email everyone. The system is designed to prevent this exact thing. So there intentionally is no account that has any way, signed or not, to do this.. it **must** be passed on by department heads through these gateways manually, this is an intentional security feature and there is no account that can bypass it

     The government is compartmentalized as a feature.

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 01-Mar-2025 00:57:39 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris

     Who specifically controls the list is ultimately determined by the head of the department, as are the specific procedures for determining what is passed on or not. Typically it's someone close to the leadership like a secretary who approves those requests on company wide lists.

     @adam

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Saturday, 01-Mar-2025 00:57:40 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo
     Good to know. By admin does it mean sys admin or Director?
     @adam

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     @chris

     Well Trump isn't the boss of anyone other than the executive branch. So he could fire whole departments in theory but only the ones directly under him. So he would only be weakening his own executive branch by doing so, but sure he could.

     @adam

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Saturday, 01-Mar-2025 01:00:03 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo
     It's also interesting to see who an employee blames if someone intercepted the emails and didn't allow that federal employee to reply and that actually makes Trump happy because I don't think he wants anyone to reply or comply.
     @adam

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     🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱 (freemo@qoto.org)'s status on Saturday, 01-Mar-2025 08:31:27 JST 🎓 Doc Freemo :jpf: 🇳🇱

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     @chris

     I would think Trump could fire them, not sure what, if any, there is in place to protect them.

     The thing is, if they honor their oath in the slightest they wouldnt cooperate. Its a huge security breach to have one person have access to the complete list of federal employees, huge huge. It would be the first thing a dictator would have to do, get the list of everyone, then you can target and force people to cooperate. The whole point of all this security and compartmentalization is specifically this very security risk. So any director that actually lets their department answer, and directs their people to answer, would be putting the USA at risk and violating appropriate security protocols if nothing else.

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Saturday, 01-Mar-2025 08:31:29 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo
     However, if he fires all those directors then he can replace them with his goons and they can fire beneath them? Probably part of the plan. We're only 5-6 weeks in...
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     @chris

     did a little more checking, wondering if as you say Trump **wanted** to get rid of directors. Apparently he cant. Current consitutional law makes it so Trump can not fire agency heads in the executive branch without congressional oversight (must show due cause to congress and have congresses approval). This has been the case since the Supreme court case ruling it to be so sinc 1935... So not sure what his game plan would be.

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     @chris

     Good, this shit is looking a bit too similar to a rising dictators playbook right now.

     @adam

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     Chris ABRAHAM (chris@abraham.su)'s status on Sunday, 02-Mar-2025 20:20:40 JST Chris ABRAHAM

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     @freemo
     Perfect timing!

     Judge says Trump cannot fire head of independent watchdog agency

     https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/03/01/hampton-dellinger-trump-office-special-counsel/
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     @chris

     Not that I like to use the term Nazi, because a racist wannabe dictator isn't a Nazi. But that is the exact narrative Hitler used to gain power. He had the false flag (the reichstag fire) which he used to make it illegal to be communist (left) and then started firing or arresting his political opponents.

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     @freemo
     His entire base sees it as freeing it from control by a Marxist globalist "deep State." That's the MAGA narrative going back to his last first term. So, he's "de-authoritarianizing" through decapitation of "lefty liberal censoring oppressive suppressive woke warpig mobs" so it's interesting to see one man's dictator is another man's pest controller.
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     @chris

     It started looking like the playbook since 911 honestly. It just was a slow process for the USA to fully collapse.

     @adam

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     @adam @freemo I've seen so many people say the exact same identical thing since 2015 that it's become meaningless for absolutely everyone by now. It's become meaningless for most and it's become what the others really want. They literally want "all the degeneracy, decay, communists, parasites, criminals, and illegals purged from Berlin" so your message of warning is a virtue for so many, alas, just as it was to the people of Germany. They wanted Hitler. Was it a takeover?

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     @chris

     I worked for DoD and FEMA at the time of 911. The "truthers" point out valid things. There was a lot of lying and suspicious shit coming out of FEMA. I had to quit in protest of their handling of 911 and lying in their reports.

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     @freemo @adam That's true but I'm one of those Truthers ...

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     @chris

     One certainly could.. bush had the patriot act, Obama murdered a 15 year old us citizen intentionally without due process, Trump is a racist dictator, Biden spent the bulk of his career fighting to keep segregation alive, and now we are back at Trump.

     @adam

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     @freemo
     One might say that America is collapsed but we've been completely Weekend at Bernie's'd since 1963! 2001! 2020! 2025!
     @adam

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     @chris

     Perhaps, neither of which justifies Obama intentionally killing a citizen with no due process and no congressional declaration of war.

     @adam

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     @freemo
     > Obama murdered a 15 year old us citizen intentionally without due process
     That kid was an asshole, to be fair. Plus, 15 is old for a terrorist—or even a USA street criminal mugger.
     @adam