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   billy joe bowers-🇺🇦 (billyjoebowers@mastodon.online)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 14:07:43 JST billy joe bowers-🇺🇦

   @jalefkowit

   I know a lot of good people bought Teslas for the right reasons, but time to let that shit go.

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     Niall in Raglan :laserkiwi: (niall@mastodon.nz)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 14:07:41 JST Niall in Raglan :laserkiwi:

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     • Old Man in the Shoe

     @simonbp @jenzi @billyjoebowers @jalefkowit sorry but as a Tesla owner since 2017 what I'll get for my car won't buy anything remotely as useful. Don't assume tesla drivers support Musk. A huge percent don't but have no other option. We're hurting now and kicking us when we're down is only dividing the resistance further giving strength to the right of politics.
     Ps Unless you think burning petrol is better?
     Pps FYI public transport is a joke where i live and i ride my bike where practical.

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     simonbp (simonbp@social.linux.pizza)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 14:07:42 JST simonbp

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     @jenzi @billyjoebowers @jalefkowit The reality is that the sale price of used Teslas are dropping like mad. Might as well sell it now while you can still get something for it, rather than a few years from now when they'll be worthless.

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     Old Man in the Shoe (jenzi@mastodon.social)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 14:07:43 JST Old Man in the Shoe

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     @billyjoebowers @jalefkowit That's the difficult part - they bought them to save the planet and it's really a lot to ask they replace their car because Elon is a dick. It would be helpful if they all had their purchase date on them.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Tuesday, 25-Feb-2025 14:10:54 JST feld

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     @jenzi @billyjoebowers @jalefkowit if people can't identify the year a Tesla was made just by looking at the obvious styling differences... Lord help us all
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 02:11:41 JST feld

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     @jenzi @billyjoebowers @jalefkowit you could just control your outrage maybe and be adult enough to realize people who own a car don't support an ideology of the CEO
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     Old Man in the Shoe (jenzi@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 02:11:42 JST Old Man in the Shoe

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     @feld @billyjoebowers @jalefkowit I'm supposed to learn the subtle difference between each Tesla model to control my outrage over someone owning a car that they can't resell without losing a lot of money? No thanks.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 02:31:12 JST feld

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     @jenzi @billyjoebowers @jalefkowit Sorry, didn't mean to give that impression. Just wanted to point out that while our citizens are generally kind and charitable our government rarely has good intentions. The good intentions are usually selfish intentions in disguise.
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     Old Man in the Shoe (jenzi@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 02:31:13 JST Old Man in the Shoe

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     @feld @billyjoebowers @jalefkowit I didn't say they did so not sure why you're fighting with me.

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     Shanie MyrsTear (shanie@mastodon.tails.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:34 JST Shanie MyrsTear

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     • Niall in Raglan :laserkiwi:
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     • bleep

     @bleepbloop @Niall @simonbp @jenzi Explain to me how dumping an already-paid-for asset influences a stock in any way.

     The money has already moved, the statistic is already in the shareholder analysis.

     The used market does not influence a car maker one iota.

     You're asking significant pain for no gain.

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     bleep (bleepbloop@ravenation.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:35 JST bleep

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     • Shanie MyrsTear
     • Niall in Raglan :laserkiwi:
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     @shanie @Niall @simonbp @jenzi I could spot it then, it’s not difficult if you know about body language and stress and how the limbic system affects our language and our bodies when we are stressed from lying. Tesla owners should engage the enemy by dumping their vehicles whilst still possible and help to tank TESLA stock. This is going to hurt, and it’s unlucky for them but cars are not investments and EVs don’t hold their value anyway.

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     Shanie MyrsTear (shanie@mastodon.tails.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:36 JST Shanie MyrsTear

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     • bleep

     @bleepbloop @Niall @simonbp @jenzi you literally just said “hindsight is 20/20”. And you’re totally right, but going back to the original conversation, that doesn’t mean people should be getting their rides tagged because of something they did several years ago to help the environment or whatever reason they had.

     Maybe we should be engaging the enemy, not our allies.

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     bleep (bleepbloop@ravenation.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:37 JST bleep

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     @shanie @Niall @simonbp @jenzi here’s some hindsight - if you have seen Musk quite obviously lie in the White House or anywhere else recently do a comparison of his body language now and his body language when he was full of BS at some tech show in 2017. All the tells are there, in the same places, for the same reasons. The incomplete sentences, the hand steepling, non-answers, the fake self-deprecation and the goofball geek act.

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     Shanie MyrsTear (shanie@mastodon.tails.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:38 JST Shanie MyrsTear

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     @bleepbloop @Niall @simonbp @jenzi That’s fine and we can agree calling someone a pedo for not using your submarine is egregious, but we didn’t go on a hate train during Dieselgate with VW when they were literally cheating emissions. I weigh to one side here.

     And let’s be clear on “the competitions” EVs, Nissan and the rest were offering roughly 150 miles, max, range in 2017. Those aren’t cars, those are toys. There was one choice.

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     Shanie MyrsTear (shanie@mastodon.tails.ch)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:39 JST Shanie MyrsTear

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     @bleepbloop @Niall @simonbp @jenzi
     Yikes lol. A "noted idiot, liar, and bully in 2017" who was the only actual EV manufacturer in the US, mayhaps the majority of the world, in an age where people not only wanted EVs but pick your billionaire evil CEO - they were all the same back then.

     Hindsight is 2020. Sure there may have been a sign or two, I'll grant you that, but "man that guy might actually be a Nazi" wasn't really in the cards up until 2022.

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     bleep (bleepbloop@ravenation.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:39 JST bleep

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     @shanie @Niall @simonbp @jenzi 2017 would be enough for me not to want to give him my money. The following year he insults a caving expert because he is too fragile to accept criticism all the while promising a range of impossible products and services that never appeared. He’s an unlikeable one-man investment bubble worse than Elizabeth Holmes. Hyundai, GM, Renault, BMW, Nissan and Ford were all making EVs at this time too.

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     bleep (bleepbloop@ravenation.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:41 JST bleep

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     @Niall @simonbp @jenzi @billyjoebowers @jalefkowit It’s a shame that a noted and obvious egomaniac and liar runs the company that makes your car but there are lots of EV alternatives. Now that Musk has outed himself as a fascist on top of everything else he, alone, is responsible for the devaluation of your car. Also he was a noted idiot, liar and bully in 2017.

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     Niall in Raglan :laserkiwi: (niall@mastodon.nz)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:46 JST Niall in Raglan :laserkiwi:

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     @bleepbloop @shanie @simonbp @jenzi oh Mr perfect please lead us! You see so far and know so much, I'm surprised you're not doing anything more useful than arguing with people online.

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     bleep (bleepbloop@ravenation.club)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:24:47 JST bleep

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     @shanie @Niall @simonbp @jenzi it devalues all future sales. i would divest of stocks in a company viewed so toxic that their product is unsaleable.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Wednesday, 26-Feb-2025 05:27:44 JST feld

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     @bleepbloop @shanie @Niall @simonbp @jenzi if tens of thousands of people organize to sell their Ford F150s does it drop Ford's stock price or lower their truck prices because the used market is flooded?
     
     When all the used car prices spiked during COVID did that increase the stock prices of car companies?
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:50:40 JST feld

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     @bleepbloop correlation is not causation here. Boycotting new sales works. A retail shareholder revolt does not work. They have too little power. The institutional investors who hold 66% of the stock have the power to wreck Musk's fortune, but nobody is discussing who they are and how to punish them.
     
     Actions by existing owners? No. It's immaterial.
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     bleep (bleepbloop@ravenation.club)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 02:50:41 JST bleep

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     @feld I believe it’s working very effectively. the first few minutes of this video covers the numbers. the rest of the video is just more global examples of poor sales. Musk’s brother (who works at Tesla) sold 75,000 shares in Tesla. https://youtu.be/w254tOs5-xY?si=iAOHQZBexOMFjF4o

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 06:48:28 JST feld

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     @bleepbloop yes, we need that as they hold SO much more than any regular citizen will ever have
     
     Even if every normal person with some TSLA stock sold it would have such a tiny impact on the actual price. They don't control hundreds of thousands of shares
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     bleep (bleepbloop@ravenation.club)'s status on Friday, 28-Feb-2025 06:48:30 JST bleep

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     @feld pension funds are selling off the stock. is that the kind of thing you’re talking about?