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   (NekoSock) Miya Ironami (iro_miya@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 19:33:11 JST (NekoSock) Miya Ironami

   Turns out PrEP is free with healthcare coverage in France :O
   
   Those are the pills that make it unlikely to get AIDS during sex

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 19:33:10 JST SuperDicq

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     @iro_miya@mk.absturztau.be You can also get PrEP in the Netherlands, the consultancy is free but you do have to pay for the pills. They are not very expensive tho, about 1 euro per pill.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 19:36:19 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @iro_miya The pills and the consultancy are extremely proprietary and isn't gratis either as you do have to pay, even if not directly.
     
     It is impossible to get AIDS during sex, although it's extremely easy to get HIV.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 19:40:32 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @iro_miya@mk.absturztau.be Yes, you're indeed being very technically autistic correct.
     
     You do not get aids during sex, you indeed get hiv which can turn into aids.
     The pills and the consultancy are extremely proprietaryI know the pharmaceutical industry sucks. But are you really skipping out on life saving medication just because the recipe is proprietary?
     
     It's definitely something that is worth mentioning tho and I agree that all forms of patents, especially in the pharmaceutical industry must be abolished to make medicine cheaper.
     isn't gratis either as you do have to pay, even if not directly.I mean yeah I guess you pay for it indirectly because you pay taxes, but that's how any gratis government service works.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 19:58:42 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @iro_miya >But are you really skipping out on life saving medication just because the recipe is proprietary?
     Yes - although I don't need it as I will be a wizard forever.
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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 20:02:37 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @iro_miya@mk.absturztau.be Even Stallman says it is ok to use proprietary software if someone is holding a gun to your head.
     
     In the case of medicine that is often the case, you often die if don't take it so I'd rather take proprietary medicine while still advocating for things like pharmaceutical patents to become illegal.

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     SuperDicq (superdicq@minidisc.tokyo)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 20:05:10 JST SuperDicq

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     @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @iro_miya@mk.absturztau.be And yes indeed you do not need STD prevention medication if you don't have sex in the first place. I just hope you are asexual by choice and not an incel.

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 20:17:39 JST 翠星石

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     @SuperDicq @iro_miya >says it is ok to use proprietary software if someone is holding a gun to your head.
     Yes, running or even writing proprietary software wouldn't be unacceptable if you would literally die otherwise at no fault of your own.
     
     Although, if such situation was clearly foreseeable and easily avoidable and you made the choice not to avoid it, it could be argued that it would be your duty to die rather than write proprietary software.
     
     >In the case of medicine that is often the case, you often die if don't take it
     It would be better not to take proprietary medicine, but it's usually unavoidable due to all the diseases and illnesses caused by proprietary things, thus taking the proprietary medicine would be a lesser evil.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 21:16:14 JST 翠星石

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     @mer @SuperDicq @iro_miya >it's also important to note that drugs are subject to patents, not copyright
     I'm well aware, which is why I made sure to not mention proprietary software and proprietary medicine in the same sentence.
     
     >patents have to be granted and can be refused
     The issue is that patent offices are financially incentivized to approve as many patents as fast as possible and to refuse as little as possible.
     
     Checking for prior art with drug patents is at least somewhat feasible, as you can look up the chemical structure and the condition it is intended to treat, but even then patent offices are known for granting another patent on the same drug with slight structural changes, which results in the patent term effectively being longer than 20 years (there was even one case where the atmosphere near drug factories had been seeded with crystals of the newer form of the drug, meaning when you tried to synthesize the old form that had finally had its patent expire, all you got was the new form (the patent lawyers loved the profit from that one)).
     
     >the more people actually use the drug, the more reason there is for the state to liberate its use.
     If the state wants drugs to be used to cure people and also wants to keep drug patents, the state has no excuse but to limit the patent term solely to an determined percentage profit over research costs, which terminates as soon as that is reached, or after 20 years (or terminates immediately if the company is cooking the books when it comes to research costs or sale profits).
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     the artist formerly known as mer@cdrom.tokyo (mer@shrine.moe)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 21:16:15 JST the artist formerly known as mer@cdrom.tokyo

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     @Suiseiseki @SuperDicq @iro_miya it's also important to note that drugs are subject to patents, not copyright
     and patents have to be granted and can be refused
     the more people actually use the drug, the more reason there is for the state to liberate its use. And while it's very rare that they actually refuse a patent, it still gives the state leverage to keep the price more reasonable.