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   LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:06:41 JST LisPi
   @mia @anemone @oshy @lanodan Hardware with firmware should be mandatorily user-reflashable so that one can use proper Free Software.
   
   There isn't really any other vaguely sane option for solving the problem.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:07:19 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lispi314 @oshy @anemone @mia Which in a way makes it more like regular embedded software than firmware.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:13:57 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lispi314 @anemone @mia @oshy Although part of me wonder if you can do USB-PD with pure hardware, like voltage control knob if really needed like on some pre-USB-PD universal chargers.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:21:22 JST feld

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     @lanodan @oshy @anemone @mia @lispi314 simplest thing I've found is that Texas Instruments has an all-in-one package for USB-PD that doesn't require an external chip with another firmware, but obviously there's still *a firmware* inside
     
     https://www.ti.com/lit/ta/sszt229/sszt229.pdf
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:24:34 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @feld @oshy @anemone @mia @lispi314 Yeah, it's simplest as in "just use this blob" instead of actually reading the USB-PD specification.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:34:39 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lispi314 @oshy @anemone @feld @mia Probably just much less expensive for TI, specially for simple chips where there isn't efficiency needs.
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:34:40 JST LisPi

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     @lanodan @mia @feld @anemone @oshy It does make one wonder why the chip doesn't fully implement it in hardware as an ASIC, instead of being a microcontroller.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:38:24 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lispi314 @anemone @feld @mia @oshy And AFAIK USB PD has revisions so with a microcontroller they can just update the firmware.
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     LisPi (lispi314@udongein.xyz)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:52:28 JST LisPi

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     @lanodan @mia @feld @anemone @oshy (Practically) No one actually updates it for the users though, they don't even provide notification of the need.
     
     This really does seem like a regulatory oversight issue.
     
     (This should be argued as part of Right to Repair. Users must be able to reflash broken firmware.)
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:59:49 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     @lispi314 @oshy @anemone @feld @mia Right to repair bit reminds me of the few times where the flash chip got a bad flash and got me a bricked machine on reboot…
     Or when NAND just fries and OS on it is proprietary but only had that once on second-hand hardware.