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   feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 06:40:19 JST feld

   • Hugh
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   @hugh @sun so the cost to produce a modern iPhone goes all the way back to the original Mach/XNU kernel in MacOS 10 that they acquired from NeXT in 1997 so "the cost to produce each iPhone 17" is going to look astronomical if you actually went back to every single thing they did over the years that was included in or influenced the final product
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 06:53:13 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @SlicerDicer @hugh @feld where did the 240 mil go???
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     I am Water (slicerdicer@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 06:53:14 JST I am Water

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     @feld @hugh @sun >> 240 million in VC funding, 10k units produced
     
     So after tax deductions, payroll and all the R&D.
     
     They lost the money as they did not produce units at scale. That’s not that it cost that much to make.
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     I am Water (slicerdicer@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 06:53:29 JST I am Water

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     @sun @hugh @feld Away.
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 06:54:47 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @SlicerDicer @feld @hugh the reason I ask is because their software was minimal and crap, and their hardware was not better than literal individuals do on crowdsupply dot com. 240 million is a lot. it must have gone somewhere
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 06:57:18 JST feld

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     @SlicerDicer @hugh @sun ok good I thought I was going crazy, but now I have confirmation from someone who is skilled at studying company financials and performance for investment purposes that this is not how you properly report the cost to produce something
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 06:57:21 JST Pissed Hippo

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     • Hugh
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     @SlicerDicer @hugh @feld I'm not I'm just asking where the money went
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     I am Water (slicerdicer@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 06:57:22 JST I am Water

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     @sun @feld @hugh It went away, investment comes with risk of 100% loss.
     
     You can’t attribute the cost of the product to the investment. That’s just lunacy if you did that. Think how much everything would cost to do the first 6000-10000 units. No one would ever invest in that. The investment is proportional to the perceived market capitalization attainable.
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     I am Water (slicerdicer@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:03:16 JST I am Water

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     @sun @hugh @feld Failed execution of planning and costs, likely attempts at marketing and all that. Just because it’s got money does not mean they won’t produce a terrible result.
     
     This is really tale as old as time. Ratio of failed to success is nuts. 90% end up failing.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:10:20 JST feld

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     @hugh @sun so circling back, Apple's spent over $200B just in R&D since 1997. Hard to find numbers right now, but let's say the iPhone 16 has produced and sold 75 million units to date.
     
     Does that mean we do $200B / 75 million to get the "cost to produce"? $2666 ? Of course not LOL
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     barrett (barrett@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 07:15:05 JST barrett

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     @feld @hugh @sun i interviewed at humane about 4 months ago, made it through round 4 but did not get an offer, lucked out!?!
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