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   Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Feb-2025 23:29:56 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:
   @cas Well "Linux Mobile" is a completely broken brand anyway since Android is Linux, and adding "real" doesn't makes it any less nonsense.
   Mainline and FLOSS would make more sense to insist on, after all there could be something like PostmarketOS but BSD-based instead that it wouldn't change things much.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Feb-2025 23:52:32 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • fossdd @ FOSDEM
     @fossdd @cas Yeah, although that ball is more in Linus Torvalds' hands since he own the trademark than in ours.
     
     Which reminds me that I wish all linux embedded projects in general (so like OpenWRT too) would prominently tell if the supported kernel is mainline linux, soft linux fork or a hard linux fork.
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     fossdd @ FOSDEM (fossdd@chaos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 19-Feb-2025 23:52:33 JST fossdd @ FOSDEM

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     @lanodan @cas well I would argue that Android's kernel cant be called Linux anymore since adding 1M+ lines of patches kinda makes it more like a Linux-similar kernel

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 00:02:14 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     @tusooa @cas I think GNU/Linux is even worse, glibc/coreutils/… vs. musl/busybox/… vs. bionic/toybox/… really doesn't matters on mobile where what you're going to use daily is nearly exclusively graphical.
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 00:02:15 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     @lanodan @cas Instead, I use the term "GNU/ or musl/Linux" to describe the systems comparable to those you would generally expect to also run on a desktop computer. And mainline isn't worth insisting, as most distributions have their own patch sets (e.g. gentoo-sources) and especially considering how hostile the upstream environment has become, including racism approved by L. Torvalds.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 00:04:42 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     @tusooa @cas In fact if AOSP wasn't so horrible I'd probably have done the prank of swapping glibc+coreutils into Android.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 00:16:12 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     @tusooa @cas I'd also take that as an implementation detail of the social and philosophical values.
     
     Which is why I think FLOSS or even Libre matters in the naming, specially if you associate it with a libre ecosystem that's user-centered and sustainable rather than like shareholders and product shipping centered.
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 00:16:13 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     @lanodan @cas hmm, what about "Wayland"?
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     tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风 (tusooa@kazv.moe)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 00:19:07 JST tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风

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     @lanodan @cas looks like gnome has to be kicked out for this
     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: likes this.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Thursday, 20-Feb-2025 00:35:15 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • tusooa :Cat_girls_Emoji_004: 西风
     @tusooa @cas Kicked out might be a bit too strong but yeah, I don't think they're really compatible.
     Like I think we all know which side of the barrier they'll be on if there's ever a nasty split between community-based and corporate-based development in the floss ecosystem.
     Heck sometimes you can literally see the five stages of grief when it comes to realizing where gnome stands.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Feb-2025 05:09:53 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Diogo Constantino
     • fossdd @ FOSDEM
     @DiogoConstantino @fossdd @cas Line count isn't really a good unit for anything, but 1M+ line counts effectively means it's going to be either: Hard enough to merge that the device could already be obsolete once done;
     To potentially impossible, for example when the code isn't readable enough to be picked up by other maintainers.
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     Diogo Constantino (diogoconstantino@masto.pt)'s status on Friday, 21-Feb-2025 05:09:54 JST Diogo Constantino

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     @fossdd @lanodan @cas so at what line count did it stopped being Linux?

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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Feb-2025 05:14:11 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • fossdd @ FOSDEM
     @DiogoConstantino @cas @fossdd And in those 1M+ diff vendor kernels there's also some where you have additional userspace APIs, making it even more clear that they are effectively different systems.
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     Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell: (lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me)'s status on Friday, 21-Feb-2025 09:31:47 JST Haelwenn /элвэн/ :triskell:

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     • Diogo Constantino
     • fossdd @ FOSDEM
     @DiogoConstantino @fossdd @cas Well I'm not fossdd and hiveminds aren't a thing yet.
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     Diogo Constantino (diogoconstantino@masto.pt)'s status on Friday, 21-Feb-2025 09:31:48 JST Diogo Constantino

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     @lanodan @fossdd @cas I see the goal posts mooving...