Seasons of Jason
Can I get a sanity check on something?
If you're reviewing a new handheld gaming device like the Legion Go S, would you benchmark it against other handhelds like the Steam Deck and ROG Ally, or, say, a bunch of expensive gaming laptops instead?
Because that's what PC World did, and I'm equal parts baffled and angry.
Seasons of Jason
@morganist Absolutely infuriating choice and it makes no sense at all. How is this helpful to anyone?
morganist ⧖
@killyourfm what the hell? each one of them has a dedicated gpu and probably uses 5x power!
Liam @ GamingOnLinux 🐧🎮
@killyourfm i saw that windows central didn't include the steam deck in there's either, sure it's not a windows device....but it's literally the most popular
DeeAnn Little
@killyourfm that is a truly weird way to benchmark it.
Seasons of Jason
@gamingonlinux Wow. And you have to assume they have one.
As far as this review goes, I mean, at least pick ONE handheld to compare it against that isn't twice as expensive, doesn't have a dedicated GPU, and doesn't consume 5x the power? 😒
Gardiner Bryant
@killyourfm wowzers. Talk about a lack of journalistic integrity. Why would they compare it against a completely different product category?
Seasons of Jason
@gardiner_bryant *SHRUGS* I honestly don't know man. I'm gobsmacked, and I use that word sparingly.
Seasons of Jason
@gardiner_bryant Also, I'm not selectively picking on the review. EVERY benchmark, including battery and PCMark tests, use the same laptops.
Seasons of Jason
@jimsalter I would find your approach compelling and educational!
But the sad thing here is it's not just that chart. Identical hardware comparisons extend to PCMark and battery benchmarks too!
Jim Salter
@killyourfm personally, I'd have benched it against *both*, with text explaining that the laptop was a bit of a joker, but was included to demonstrate the discrepancy between classes of device.
I used to do the same thing with laptop CPUs and GPUs vs their desktop counterparts, because so many people have absolutely no idea that a laptop i7 is so much slower than a desktop i7, a laptop RTX is so much slower than a desktop RTX, etc.
But yeah, the chart you linked here is wack af.
Jim Salter
@killyourfm I got yelled at by angry turbo gamers a couple of times when I did exactly that while I was at Ars. But it isn't exactly difficult to get yourself yelled at by turbo gamers, IME...
Seasons of Jason
@jimsalter Well, when you exist and have a publicly accessible opinion about anything tech or gaming, you WILL get yourself yelled at 🤣
necrophcodr
@killyourfm both, and include performance/watt and (optionally) performance/dollar.
Seasons of Jason
@jimsalter Absolutely. Plus, it's difficult to believe that PCWorld couldn't source even one handheld from Asus, Valve, or even Lenovo. Ask Lenovo for a Legion Go to test alongside the Legion Go S!
Jim Salter
@killyourfm another thing I'll point out: "we didn't have benchmarks on hand from similar classes of device" is no excuse. When I had the same issue, I would source widely available benchmarks to put against my own direct benchmarks of the device under test, and cite the sources I pulled from.
Jim Salter
@gamingonlinux @killyourfm even if you want to raise objections about not a Windows device, you absolutely CAN rock a Deck as a Windows device. When it launched, a lot of people did exactly that, reflexively, before everybody figured out "this thing is actually great the way it ships."
Seasons of Jason
@jimsalter @gamingonlinux HAHA! I did it too, when Valve released the initial set of drivers. About 2 hours in I noped right out and never returned.
Seasons of Jason
@75watt Ooh! I wonder if this would work with accessories too... Wiimote or Power Glove: Which has the most Fun Per Second?
75watt
@killyourfm What I really want to see is a comparison between random objects in Funs Per Second.
"The tennis ball was taking the lead until it hit my eye causing a considerable drop in FPS"
TheD34n ☑️
@killyourfm Oh FFS
Seasons of Jason
@thed34n Thanks, sanity check achieved.
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