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you guys should shit-talk copyright more often, my DMs are filled with messages like "you're so brave", "I'm going to name my first child after you", "thank you for speaking the truth"
You can't prove they're not, anyway. Try it and see for yourself.
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@feld i'm disgusted by all the 'free culture' people who are now very much in favour of draconian copyright because not it hits the right people
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@lain I would praise Trump for suspending copyright. You want to supercharge the American economy? Fuck it, let everyone have a shot.
Counterfeit products should still be banned obviously, but everyone should be able to make a copy of another product if they think they can do it better. Worst case scenario it puts enough pressure on the original inventor to improve their product instead of sitting on their asses and collecting paychecks for the next few decades
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@feld please god let this happen
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@feld @lain
Yeah, this is the funniest one. People are always like, "What if I sold a car but called it a Mercedes?" That's not JUST copyright infringement, that's fraud.
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@lain @feld
The best domestic example of these degenerates is the Masto-cattle shilling free software and claiming to be copyright abolitionists and anarchists, but the moment Alex Gleason mirrors their profiles on Nostr they start bitching about it for weeks and try to abuse copyright and GDPR laws to harass him.
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@feld @lain >for suspending copyright.
I'm all for terminating copyright just as long as making software proprietary is criminalized with mandatory sentencing.
>Counterfeit products should still be banned obviously
How is this related to copyright?
You can sell exact clones of products without copyright being relevant.
For products that have a trademarked name on them, cloning that product and putting the trademark on it is already illegal, as that would be trademark infringement.
>everyone should be able to make a copy of another product if they think they can do it better.
Patent law would need serious reform to allow for that.
>it puts enough pressure on the original inventor to improve their product >instead of sitting on their asses and collecting paychecks for the next few decades
Typically what happens is that the wagie who actually designed the product just gets a wage and it's the company that is collecting all the profits.
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@yomiel @feld @lain >"What if I sold a car but called it a Mercedes?" >That's not JUST copyright infringement, that's fraud.
That would NOT be copyright infringement, as names are not creative enough to qualify for copyright.
I believe "Mercedes" is trademarked and doing so would be trademark infringement and possibly counterfeiting, but legally such act would not be regarded as fraud unless it was explicitly stated that you were selling a "Mercedes model x from Mercedes-Benz" at the market price.
The way trademark law works would allow you to legally sell a car called; "Not a Mercedes", although Mercedes-Benz would likely still send a cease-and-deist if they found out.
Now you have been enlightened, please don't continue to spread confusion between copyright, trademark, patent and trade secret laws.
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@yomiel not worth engaging with this guy, just hit the mute button
they're right about medicines being patented but then they shit all over this thread talking about trademarks and other nonsense as if we don't know what those are when I explicitly wrote my post the way so I wouldn't have to delve into trademarks
and then idiotic statements like
> If you don't make the error of using proprietary software
There's a million different types of specialized software which solve important problems out there that will never be GPL, get over it.
People who write things like this are not serious people and they're definitely not doing anything valuable for society
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@Suiseiseki @feld @lain
How wouldn't it be fraud if you're defrauding a customer by pretending to be Mercedes? If your car has the Mercedes name, logo and model on, that would be defrauding the customer.
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@yomiel @feld @lain >If your car has the Mercedes name, logo and model on, that would be defrauding the customer.
Yes, that is what I wrote.
Although, less than that probably wouldn't pass the legal threshold for fraud.
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@feld @yomiel >as if we don't know what those are when I explicitly wrote my post the way so I wouldn't have to delve into trademarks
It is a major error to refer to law by the name of a different law and you should not do so, even if it's convenient because you don't have to type a whole extra word.
>There's a million different types of specialized software which solve important problems
Much of that is custom software and is free software if the customer who contracted it had any wit and demanded the source code before any payment could be made.
>that will never be GPL, get over it.
There is 3 licenses is the GPL family; GPLv1, GPLv2 & GPLv3, not just one.
While software does deserve to be defended by the GPLv3-or-later, it's almost always not a problem if it's under another free license.
>write things like this are not serious people and they're definitely not doing anything valuable for society
Quite interestingly it appears that many unserious people tend to do actually valuable things for society, while many serious people are arguably parasitic towards society.
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