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   Jake Williams (malwarejake@infosec.exchange)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 03:27:46 JST Jake Williams

   If you're a leader in tech, take this to your stakeholders and explain the implications. Many of the AI-enabled apps your users are integrating into their workflows (or outright relying on) could literally cease to exist with a single court ruling.
   https://www.wired.com/story/thomson-reuters-ai-copyright-lawsuit/

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 03:27:45 JST feld

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     @malwarejake I don't think so, it will just change who owns the tools. You can't put this genie back into the bottle. If they do go after e.g., all the generative image projects who will win in the end?
     
     Whoever owns the most data/media for training. So it will be stock image companies. They will then leverage their own datasets and sell their own generative AI software.
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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 03:28:20 JST lainy

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     @feld @malwarejake this is the fear part of fud
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 03:29:46 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @feld @malwarejake literally all memes based on copyright materials are infringement, when the world wide web started, companies tried to sue websites for funny pictures until the flood was overwhelming and now people would consider you a moron if you wanted to sue over it
     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: and feld like this.
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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 03:32:38 JST Pissed Hippo

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     • feld
     @phnt @feld @malwarejake periodically they try again but it's a lost cause
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     Phantasm (phnt@fluffytail.org)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 03:32:39 JST Phantasm

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     @sun @feld @malwarejake Remember EU Article 13 from 6 years ago?
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 03:34:40 JST feld

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     Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem: (tk@bbs.kawa-kun.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 03:38:38 JST Doughnut Lollipop 【記録係】:blobfoxgooglymlem:

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     • feld
     @sun @feld @malwarejake Kind of like when the Fine Brothers tried to copyright reaction videos. :blobfoxgooglymlem:
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 04:35:29 JST feld

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     • maybenot
     @maybenot @lain @malwarejake you mistake me for someone who thinks that the tech industry isn't oversaturated and we don't need a massive economic crash which will also wipe out banks who made bad bets on real estate, residential and commercial
     
     there are far too many people out there like "I want my job saved, I love my job"
     
     what do you do?
     
     "I work in this R&D department for megacorp building out this widget"
     
     is your work making a profit for the company? for anyone? is there a sign that the finish line is anywhere near?
     
     "no"
     
     You're expendable then. You should have never been hired. Your job should not exist. The tech industry has swindled you. They have taken their immense access to capital and moved your office to the basement like Milton on Office Space. In this case they didn't know what to do with you but they were damn certain they didn't want any other company to have you either.
     
     
     The only way out is *through*. There will be a lot of pain. But we can't put a bandaid on this and keep going on with our lives.
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     maybenot (maybenot@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 04:35:30 JST maybenot

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     @lain @feld @malwarejake

     any effort to limit/slow-down the deployment of these systems is commendable.

     the genie cannot be put back in the bottle, but the lamp-holding oligarchs can be forced to ration their wishes.

     and not only does this disrupt the entrench-fast-become-irremovable shock doctrine ploy, it also means a bunch of ppl not laid of /yet/ can still pay rent

     the whole "harm reduction is pointless, i only deal in Axiom and Absolutes" really needs to be put on ice.

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:15:09 JST feld

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     @maybenot @malwarejake @lain
     
     > there's now a surplus of tech workers (and "creatives" too), all the investment is tied up in bullshit
     
     but why is it when it's coal miners we're like "we can retrain them, they can become programmers or learn how to work on solar" but when it's tech people we're like "whoa there, they need those jobs. what are we gonna do, train them to be plumbers and electricians? they LOVE what they do and it makes them happy"
     
     Yeah a lot of people running machines at the coal mines were happy and felt like they had a sense of purpose too. They don't want to change careers.
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     maybenot (maybenot@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:15:11 JST maybenot

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     @feld @malwarejake @lain

     yes, i do think working on a pointless widget and getting paid is better than being laid off and having the widget be made even shittier by genai, while one starves.

     there's now a surplus of tech workers (and "creatives" too), all the investment is tied up in bullshit, and the shitty widget may well be the least-bad option available for many.

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     lainy (lain@lain.com)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:16:40 JST lainy

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     @feld @malwarejake @maybenot learn2cook
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:24:20 JST feld

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     @maybenot @malwarejake @lain I think in the long run these tools will complement and not replace. Much like how photo editing tools didn't completely displace people from the creative process.
     
     Hollywood already went through a lot of this same stuff once already. We all noticed how bad and obvious CGI can be (90s and early 00s were BAD because it was forced upon every movie) and also how poorly those movies age. Practical effects are coming back in vogue because they just look better. "Agatha All Along" was lauded for this.
     
     We're going through another phase. People are experimenting and trying to figure out what works. AI acting performances are not going to capture the hearts and minds of audiences. AI girlfriends are just going to be porn 2.0.
     
     People just don't like change but we need to figure out how to adapt.
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     maybenot (maybenot@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:24:21 JST maybenot

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     @feld @malwarejake @lain

     anyway, the important part where we disagree (i think) is whether the current push to entrench these technologies (with the explicit goal of owners/funders/providers riding out the crash) is gonna make the whole thing worse for everyone except the c-suites and a-round investors

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:26:27 JST feld

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     @maybenot @lain @malwarejake just look at this -- green screens suck, CGI can't do this.
     
     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQuIVsNzqDk
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:44:47 JST feld

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     > with the intent to then have it mandated by laws that practical effects are illegal
     
     where are you getting this from?
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     maybenot (maybenot@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:44:49 JST maybenot

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     @feld @malwarejake @lain

     oh i love this video,

     all this is true. and you would be right in these conclusions were it not for the dreaded political aspect of this.

     the "shitty 90s era cgi" is being forcibly baked into everything now, with the intent to then have it mandated by laws that practical effects are illegal. and if you want to have *any effects at all* you have to pay one of the 3 vendors.

     also, then there's the small sidenote that these things have more malicious uses than 90s cgi

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     Pissed Hippo (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:46:20 JST Pissed Hippo

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     @feld @maybenot there was a big shift to cgi because of insurance rate hikes and laws for having a gun on set
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:58:34 JST feld

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     Having AI features which you don't want to utilize in products is not the same as "practical effects are now *ILLEGAL*"
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     maybenot (maybenot@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 05:58:36 JST maybenot

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     @feld

     the attempted government/regulatory capture by the sam-altmans of the world?

     clearly their goal is to

     1. make this technology "unavoidable" / deeply enmeshed in everything

     2. regulations worded very specifically so only they can do it

     3. now you have to go trough them

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 06:15:04 JST feld

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     @maybenot if they can somehow make CGI cheaper than practical effects even when you have to pay a super mega corp licensing to use it that would be mighty impressive. Just think about what that means for the cost of compute and even electricity? Amazing really.
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     maybenot (maybenot@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 06:15:06 JST maybenot

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     @feld

     c'mon that was not to be taken that literally,

     it's more "practical effects are now economically unviable" + "the only legal cgi is all owned by the 3 CGI-as-a-Service vendors" + "they've legislated themselves impossible barriers of entry for potential competitors"

     the end result is that unless you're made of money they may well be illegal

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 06:19:11 JST feld

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     > the main promise there was that coal miners will get upward economic movement (how this turned out is another matter), while those grinning at the tech layoffs are explicitly cherishing that this is gonna make them nerds poorer.
     
     master plumbers out there making $300-500k show that a career change doesn't have to make you poorer (I'll ignore the whole apprenticeship scam that forces people to work for ~minimum wage for a stupid number of hours which needs to be ripped out as well)
     
     If we actually wanted to rip out the bloat from tech and also solve the shortages we have in other trades we could do it if we really wanted to. The reform is possible. We just need leadership to remove the artificial barriers to entry that exist in so many places. Another on my mind is licensing for doctors.
     
     https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/02/government-licensing-schemes-failure/681654/
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     maybenot (maybenot@mstdn.social)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 06:19:12 JST maybenot

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     @feld @malwarejake @lain

     now this is a loaded topic, often raised in bad faith, but whatever.

     the main promise there was that coal miners will get upward economic movement (how this turned out is another matter), while those grinning at the tech layoffs are explicitly cherishing that this is gonna make them nerds poorer.

     there's also a qualitative argument to be made (and i recognize my hypocrisy here) that coal is somewhat more quantifiable and malleable than all of tech and culture

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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 06:56:59 JST feld

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     @Nimbius666 @maybenot
     
     It was 2018. I needed an EV charger in my condo's detached garage. So @SlicerDicer and I rolled up our sleeves, grabbed a copy of the 2018 National Electric Code which just became active in Wisconsin a week before, looked up the laws on whether I could do it myself legally (owner-builder, varies by state) as electricians were quoting like $5000 in labor, and we did it.
     
     We couldn't get the 18" deep trench as required by code for the conduit due to large rocks but there was a loophole that you can encase it in concrete. So we did it. It was barely $1000 in materials. Plus I ran ethernet out to the garage so I could have a PoE wifi AP out there. And my circuit could support up to 100A which is more than anyone else would agree to do.
     
     And it was all code compliant. Inspected as required. In fact this actually improved the safety of my electrical as we needed to add additional grounding rods for modern code compliance. (two minimum now, and one for the garage circuit itself)
     
     Additionally I was the first person in the entire state to do this for a condo where there was already dedicated power to the garage as code disallowed this before NEC2018 (only one source of power permitted for a building unless special circumstances -- EV charging circuits were added to the code in 2018). I had to call up the State inspector for final signoff because the local city inspector was an idiot.
     
     (I also grew up doing plumbing, electrical, and HVAC work when I was in highschool)
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     Crispy Branzino (nimbius666@comp.lain.la)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 06:57:00 JST Crispy Branzino

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     @feld @maybenot til as a devops engineer with network experience I'm qualified for both plumbing and electric.
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     feld (feld@friedcheese.us)'s status on Thursday, 13-Feb-2025 07:00:22 JST feld

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     @Nimbius666 @SlicerDicer @maybenot if you can read regulatory codes and instructions, understand physics, do a little math, and learn how to use a few tools you can definitely handle plumbing and electrical. It's not going to be as comfy as sitting in an office chair but you can 100% do it.