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   Nigel (nigelharpur@musicians.today)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Feb-2025 05:21:04 JST Nigel

   I can't help keep remembering how 'utterly unthinkable' it was (for most folks by far) that the USSR would actually collapse. Even in the weeks before... It did.

   Anyone can say 'it was obviously coming'... in hindsight... but I was an aware adult through the 1980s (30 in 1988) and the 'fall' of the USSR just wasn't a topic, certainly not in the mainstream.

   #USpol #usa

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     𝄞 ♮ Barnet Boy 🇮🇹 (barnetboy@musicians.today)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Feb-2025 06:42:26 JST 𝄞 ♮ Barnet Boy 🇮🇹

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     @nigelharpur are you planning a similar fate for the USA?

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     Nigel (nigelharpur@musicians.today)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Feb-2025 06:42:29 JST Nigel

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     @barnetboy as I stroke my large white cat, on the arm of my 'control chair', before polishing my monocle to perfection... do you mean? 🤔😂

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     Kee Hinckley (nazgul@infosec.exchange)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Feb-2025 06:42:41 JST Kee Hinckley

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     @nigelharpur @mhoye What I recall is not so much surprise that it fell, but that it fell so gently. No coup, no armies marching. It just fell apart into constituent states. Which is not to say it didn't then get messy. But the all out warfare and violence didn't happen at once.

     Which makes me wonder if our future isn't going to be similar. If this administration truly starts ignoring the courts, even the Supreme Court, will we just see many of the states start to just ignore the federal government and work things out amongst themselves?

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     Nigel (nigelharpur@musicians.today)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Feb-2025 06:43:04 JST Nigel

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     @nazgul @mhoye very good point and yes, I remember it seemed to just fizzle, which was a relief really bearing in mind what might have happened. The slide into a crime gangs/oligarchy was very sad to see, and again one can't help seeing parallels.

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     LucyWrambles (lucywrambles@blackshuck.net)'s status on Wednesday, 12-Feb-2025 06:44:27 JST LucyWrambles

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     @nigelharpur You and nearly 80% of the 80% turnout of Soviet people who voted in a 1991 referendum to preserve it, before it was killed in a country estate backroom by three men, nine months later.

     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum

     Not to say it wasn't coming eventually, of course. Internal and external contradictions and aggression had done their toll. But it's an interesting case study, if nothing else.

     https://welshundergroundnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/socialism-betrayed.pdf