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   𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:39:58 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙
   I'd be ashamed of telling anyone I use or I'm involved in some capacity with FreeBSD.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:39:56 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @yomiel @sally no?
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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:39:57 JST Yomiel

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     Aren't FreeBSDtards hated even among other BSD users?
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:40:42 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @yomiel @sally aside from the devs using macbooks freebsd users are not treated any different unlike what some random /g/ anon would have you think
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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:42:11 JST Yomiel

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     @nyanide @sally
     >the devs using macbooks
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:42:50 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @sally @yomiel do i just hang out in the wrong places because I've never seen this before, like people take shots in the mailing lists?
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:42:51 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @yomiel
     
     They are laughing stock, OpenBSDtards make fun of them all the time.
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     Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde: (dj@ak.parcero.casa)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:43:30 JST Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde:

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     @nyanide @sally @yomiel
     FreeBSD devs are cucks but what's wrong with using it as a server?
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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:44:44 JST Yomiel

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     @nyanide @sally
     I've seen it mostly on /g/, I guess not exactly representative of most BSD users but still.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:50:55 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     • Yomiel
     • Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde:
     @dj @nyanide @yomiel
     
     FreeBSD is a security nightmare (proprietary software aside).
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:51:33 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     • Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde:
     @sally @dj @yomiel Well let's entertain that for a second, what are some security problems you can think of off the top of your head?
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:53:21 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     • Yomiel
     @nyanide @yomiel
     
     No, dozens of articles showing broken shit on FreeBSD that devs claim is working as intended. A new article pops up every now and then about it.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:55:02 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @nyanide @dj @yomiel
     
     SSH broken and insecure builds out of the box for no reason, only because devs can't be bothered to properly fix it. There was also problems with the package keypair or some shit, I don't recall the details because I last read about it over a year ago and I don't touch FreeBSD.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:58:56 JST 翠星石

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     • Yomiel
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     @dj @sally @nyanide @yomiel >what's wrong with using it as a server?
     How nonfreeBSD is proprietary software is the is why you shouldn't use it as a server.
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     Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde: (dj@ak.parcero.casa)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 22:59:35 JST Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde:

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     • Yomiel
     @sally @nyanide @yomiel
     So this years old problem didn't get fixed? :doubt:
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 23:00:10 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @dj @nyanide @yomiel
     
     The package keypair stuff probably did, the busted SSH server is working as intended according to them, even though if you run it it exposes you to get your machine backdoored by some random russian skid.
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     nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face: (nyanide@lab.nyanide.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 23:00:16 JST nyanide :nyancat_rainbow::nyancat_body::nyancat_face:

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     @sally @dj @yomiel and if you built the entire system from source on a machine that wasn't Thompsoned?
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 23:15:09 JST 翠星石

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     • Yomiel
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     @dj @sally @nyanide @yomiel >what you are talking about?
     Every single BSD is chock full of proprietary software and nonfreeBSD is one of the worst cases.
     
     Just a small sample, but it's enough;
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev
     
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/nvidia/LICENCE.nvidia
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/nvidia/tegra124_xusb.bin.uu
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/nvidia/tegra210_xusb.bin.uu
     
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/otus/otus-license
     https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/contrib/dev/otus/otus-init
     
     >The MIT license is even more free than GPL,
     MIT released many licenses and there is no such thing as "GPL" - there is; GPLv{1,2,3}, LGPLv{1,2,2.1,2} & AGPLv{1,2,3}.
     
     Assuming you mean MIT expat, that is in fact less free than the GPLv3;
     expat; "including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish,
     distribute, sublicense"
     
     GPLv3; "Sublicensing is not allowed; section 10 makes it unnecessary."
     
     MIT expat gives explicit permission to sublicense and therefore take freedom, which results in *less freedom*, as the amount of freeness in the world *reduces*.
     
     >that's why they call the developers cucks for giving away their code.
     They don't just give it away - they explicitly make the choice to write software that they know with certainty will be taken and incorporated into proprietary software, to better assist with taking the freedom of many users, without getting paid and are proud of doing so (yes, they somehow turn the moral act of releasing free software under a free software license into a immoral act).
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     Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde: (dj@ak.parcero.casa)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 23:15:10 JST Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde:

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     • Yomiel
     @Suiseiseki @sally @nyanide @yomiel
     what you are talking about? The MIT license is even more free than GPL, that's why they call the developers cucks for giving away their code.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 23:16:00 JST 翠星石

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     • Yomiel
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     @dj @sally @nyanide @yomiel Freedom-respecting Wi-Fi cards like PCIe ath9k ones work just fine for a Wi-Fi AP on a server - you plug them in and they just werk.
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     Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde: (dj@ak.parcero.casa)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 23:16:01 JST Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde:

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     • Yomiel
     @yomiel @Suiseiseki @sally @nyanide
     I don't recommend using wifi on a server. Most linux distros have the same issue, no firmware no wifi work.
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     Yomiel (yomiel@new.asbestos.cafe)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 23:16:07 JST Yomiel

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     @dj @Suiseiseki @sally @nyanide
     Non-free wifi blobs are in the kernel, iirc.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 23:16:11 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     • Yomiel
     • Rock DJ :catcrunk: :gigachad: :lmde:
     @yomiel @dj @Suiseiseki @nyanide
     
     Not just network drivers, plenty of stuff is proprietary on all BSD kernels.
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     menherahair (menherahair@eientei.org)'s status on Tuesday, 11-Feb-2025 23:22:27 JST menherahair

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     @nyanide @sally @yomiel every once in a while I go on some threads and I see someone mention BSD. whenever I ask why I should use BSD over GNU/Linux some guy in a Punisher t-shirt starts to lecture me about the philosophy of Lionel Richie and says some non-sequitur about systemd. Listen man I have a D ready for you fucking bitch. I don't give a fuck about your liberal sociology I just want steam to work on my computer I want my wi-fi to work. I'm always told "BSD is a complete operating system. It doesn't use distros like Linux" and then I look at the fucking piles of BSD DISTROS online FreeBSD OpenBSD NetBSD TrueOS DragonflyBSD and wow they ALL SUCK and they're ALL DISTROS :D
     
     and these are just the online BSD people once you get into real life it's even worse. I go to the BSD conference it looks like a fucking starbucks it's all rich millennials and baby boomers sitting at their fucking Macbook Pros jacking themselves off about how they run a BSD OS on their fucking Apple Shittalk YOU AREN'T A PRO HACKER FOR RUNNING MACOS YOU FUCKING DIPSHIT NOBODY CARES INSTALL GENTOO
     
     and at the fucking BSD conference this guy comes up George or some shit it's that fucking eggman looking guy who was in every BSD shilling video. it's like it's his full time job to tell people to run FreeBSD. he doesn't even run fucking FreeBSD because in every video I see he is sitting on a Macbook Pro running MacOS. Wow you run your own operating system in a virtual machine only it must be so great right? He's always mumbling about how he made the fucking network stack from MacOS gee I wonder how much you got paid for that bud oh yeah fucking nothing great job buddy happy for you. At least you got Apple to give you some of the code they added right? wait wrong you didn't because you use a CUCK LICENSE. Billionaires are making money off of over 20 years of this guy's fucking work he's got nothing in return, he's got no source code. Imagine what it's like working on a free os for decades just for it to be used to spy on users and make billionaires more money. Imagine being proud of this.
     
     BSD is a CUCK operating system and running it is an embarrassment.
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