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   Ryan (usaryan1@social.vivaldi.net)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Feb-2025 06:44:20 JST Ryan

   • Jon S. von Tetzchner

   @jon wish we had more choices for our mobile phones. Apple or Android only.

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     Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Tuesday, 04-Feb-2025 06:44:17 JST Jay Baker

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     • Jon S. von Tetzchner

     @usaryan1 @jon At least there are things like /e/OS!

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     Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 08:38:07 JST Jay Baker

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     • Gaël Duval - /e/OS & Murena
     • GrapheneOS

     @GrapheneOS Thanks, I have always been intrigued by GrapheneOS though not sure I had the right device to switch. This is interesting to know and certainly a different approach, to so aggressively (or perhaps just passionately) make such a point to my post on here. I'd like to know the thoughts of @gael on this.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 08:38:08 JST GrapheneOS

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     • Jay Baker

     @MediaActivist /e/OS is highly insecure and lacks the most basic privacy and security. It does not keep the Android privacy and security model intact or provide proper privacy/security patches. They lag at least a year behind on full privacy/security patches, months behind on providing partial Android Security Bulletin backports and driver/firmware updates are not provided properly. It's genuinely not a safe option at all. The hardware lacks basic security too. Way worse than an iPhone.

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     Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 18:37:50 JST Jay Baker

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     • GrapheneOS

     @GrapheneOS Thanks for the wealth of information, and I appreciate your clear drive and passion. I'm sorry to know about the unsavoury conflicts, which I knew nothing about. And I certainly wasn't aware I was personally "promoting products" that were "scams"; my reply to someone that "there are things like /e/os" was intended to refer to operating systems like yours; /e/os was the only one I had tried out so far - I meant no offence. Of course I'd be interested in trying GrapheneOS if I get chance with a used Pixel (not buying from Google). The values of an initiative matter to me, and I already left Proton because of fascist apologism; I strongly feel, now more than ever, we should never ever stop calling out bigots we are aware of, like Brendan Eich, just because there are others in open source we're unaware of; so I disagree with your direct message to me on that (though I'm glad you at least deleted and redrafted a more considered remark). Anyway, please just keep up the good work on GrapheneOS! @pewnack

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 18:37:51 JST GrapheneOS

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     • Jay Baker

     @MediaActivist The products you're promoting are genuinely a scam harming people. You can confirm this with basic research to confirm that they have a year or more delays for privacy and security patches across devices. On many devices they don't really provide them at all. They mislead users about this by setting a fake Android Security patch level and making inaccurate claims about what's provided or the impact of what's missing. They don't preserve basic security features either.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 18:37:52 JST GrapheneOS

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     • Jay Baker

     @MediaActivist That comparison table shows the delay for partial security patches and full security patches on the devices where they're least behind. The delay is usually much more than what's shown there because for most devices they're much worse than that.

     Strongly recommend doing research based on what actual privacy and security researchers/engineers have to say about /e/OS. Don't believe the marketing from /e/OS and Murena. They want to sell their highly insecure products.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 18:37:53 JST GrapheneOS

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     • Jay Baker

     @MediaActivist

     https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm is a third party comparison between different alternate mobile operating systems. It could include many more privacy/security features but it's a good starting point.

     Their services are also not private and are far worse than the services from Apple with end-to-end encryption support.

     /e/OS and Murena are putting people in danger not providing the most basic aspects of privacy and security. It's just a lot of false marketing to sell products.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 18:37:54 JST GrapheneOS

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     • Jay Baker

     @MediaActivist

     /e/OS is an entirely different kind of thing from GrapheneOS and is nearly the complete opposite of it. LineageOS already greatly reduces security compared to the Android Open Source Project and the /e/OS fork of LineageOS completely destroys it.

     GrapheneOS is a hardened OS with substantial privacy/security improvements:

     https://grapheneos.org/features

     It doesn't just preserve baseline privacy and security but rather massively improves both. They're not at all similar projects.

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     GrapheneOS (grapheneos@grapheneos.social)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 18:37:55 JST GrapheneOS

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     • Jay Baker

     @MediaActivist @MediaActivist /e/OS is genuinely a highly insecure OS without basic privacy and security intact.

     Gael Duval is scamming people and is involved in harassment towards our team. They even personally used a bunch of sockpuppet accounts to spread misinformation about GrapheneOS and engage in harassment. We aren't interested in communicating with someone like this.

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     Jay Baker (mediaactivist@todon.eu)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 20:37:14 JST Jay Baker

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     • Gaël Duval - /e/OS & Murena
     • GrapheneOS

     @gael @GrapheneOS I've been with /e/OS for several years and regardless of rival interests and opinions on functionality, I appreciate you taking the time to offer a measured and respectful response here. Thank you.

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     Gaël Duval - /e/OS & Murena (gael@mastodon.social)'s status on Wednesday, 05-Feb-2025 20:37:15 JST Gaël Duval - /e/OS & Murena

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     • GrapheneOS
     • Jay Baker

     @MediaActivist @GrapheneOS This is a toxic community lead by a super toxic guy who is into permanent destruction. We just want to have nothing to do with them. We have different product goals anyhow so no problem (we are not into any competition with them)