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   Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 21:48:17 JST Christmas Sun
   Possibly true but also not going to cry about muh market cap
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     dictatordave (dictatordave@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 21:50:55 JST dictatordave

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     @sun i'd like to see what american politicians are invested in this scam as well
     what was this a distraction from btw
     because this is way over the heads of the majority of the public
     its basically like the us gov going on endlessly about muh ussr and muh h bombs
     seems like another patriot act ploy and a means of domestic control
     
     >better get in line or the chyners are gonna unleash their ai on us
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     Christmas Sun (sun@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 22:04:30 JST Christmas Sun

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
     @TrevorGoodchild he's also super invested in Meta who is doing their own AI
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     Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 22:04:31 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:

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     @sun Lolbert faggot who self-describes as a 'radical Zionist' has an opinion
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 22:14:57 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
     @TrevorGoodchild @sun Luckey is a weird character, but I'm fairly certain China is lying for fun and profit here.
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     Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 22:22:29 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:

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     • Bread up, Bro
     @sickburnbro @sun I'll take the other side of that bet
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 22:22:29 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
     @TrevorGoodchild @sun Betting what, that they developed it de novo for $30 million?
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 22:55:11 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
     @TrevorGoodchild @sun Extremely unlikely without using accounting tricks. There is no publicly known scheme for training models that size that doesn't require a ton of compute.
     
     Either they have a new scheme, which has taken a lot of research and time to find out, or they are using some local chip which took a ton of time and money to make.
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     Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 22:55:12 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:

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     • Bread up, Bro
     @sickburnbro @sun Or less
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     Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb: (trevorgoodchild@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 23:11:29 JST Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:

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     • Bread up, Bro
     @sickburnbro Nation that dominates the global manufacturing sector by finding ways to reduce costs/overhead by orders of magnitude somehow . . . couldn't do it in this case?
     
     Ok
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 23:11:29 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
     @TrevorGoodchild But then it's not "they developed a model for $5m", but "they developed a new chip" - which is a different question. I also don't think they developed a chip which allows training a 80b+ for that cost.
     
     To get it that cheap you'd need 1) a new chip, possibly with a different way of running computations on it and a corresponding new method to train models or a radically different model.
     
     From what I've seen, it seems to be a very similar model.
     
     What I've *heard* is that they are running the finished model on a local chip, but that's about 2 steps bhind.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 23:38:09 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
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     @TrevorGoodchild I **do** think that china can do it cheaper than OpenAI - but this speed/cost difference just doesn't seem real, and China has a known history of lying about products.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 23:46:07 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • brigrammer
     @brigrammer @TrevorGoodchild it's all due to the layers of "ethics" bullshit they add. The US ones have regressed in abilities as people found "exploits" and they tried to patch fixes.
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     brigrammer (brigrammer@poa.st)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 23:46:08 JST brigrammer

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
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     @sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild does it really matter if it was some magic to train the AI cheaper or just a lie to disrupt the market when the China AI knows Jews are bad while the American AI can't count the r's in "strawberry"

     people focused on how much it cost ignore the real story - non-kike AI is available, and that makes the kike AI worthless

     the biggest problem with AI was that it was massively censored to prevent wrong think

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     brigrammer (brigrammer@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 00:32:50 JST brigrammer

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
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     @sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild the whole value proposition for OpenAI was that

     1. these AIs will captivate and control the people - companies declaring "We will make AI content instead of paying creators"
     2. they wanted to be able to ensure all of the managerial thought control from the "better men" would keep the people from wrong thinking, and control them on the cheap
     3. the important people would get access to the real/good AI which will do all kinds of useful things - the masses won't be allowed to do anything powerful
     4. the cost of making the AI was meant to be a moat to ensure a monopoly of control

     how cheap DeepSeek was to make is less important than that the Chinese just broke all of these

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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 00:35:40 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
     • brigrammer
     @brigrammer @TrevorGoodchild Sure. But there were people training open-source models without the ethics shit, the difference is that none of them had access to the scale of compute needed to train a 70 or 130B
     
     So perhaps this is a "the world realizes OpenAI aren't magic" correction, but it was looking like people were going to be able to train an open source 130 soon anyway especially with the unified memory systems, albeit at like 5x the time
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 00:37:36 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • john_darksoul
     @john_darksoul @TrevorGoodchild perhaps, but we don't know that for sure. I mean what - who said they didn't have access to that amount, the Biden administration?
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     john_darksoul (john_darksoul@pl.firelink.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 00:37:37 JST john_darksoul

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
     • Bread up, Bro
     @sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild They have real material constraints. How much cheaper might be a question, but they do not have the same access to the particular chips nvidia makes that are prioritized for AI. They do have them, but way fewer than OpenAI.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 00:44:36 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • john_darksoul
     @john_darksoul @TrevorGoodchild yes, that's what I'm saying - I don't know if I trust the government as it exists to say they successfully blocked anything
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     john_darksoul (john_darksoul@pl.firelink.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 00:44:37 JST john_darksoul

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     • Bread up, Bro
     @sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild Yea, they’re a restricted export. China still gets them through Singapore, but not in the same amounts. They get access to a gimped version, though.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 00:56:12 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • Trevor Goodchild:verified::pondering_orb:
     • john_darksoul
     @john_darksoul @TrevorGoodchild If I were china I'd simply just set up fronts in the US to buy them and ship them overseas
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     john_darksoul (john_darksoul@pl.firelink.digital)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 00:56:13 JST john_darksoul

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     • Bread up, Bro
     @sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild I mean, unless nvidia is hiding revenue off the books I think it’s safe to say China is getting way fewer of them.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 00:56:51 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • john_darksoul
     @john_darksoul @TrevorGoodchild Go and tell me that the USG is checking every $10 post being sent to china.
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     Bread up, Bro (sickburnbro@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 22:56:36 JST Bread up, Bro

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     • BarelyEagle
     @BarelyEagle @TrevorGoodchild enough space to tune a 200B is not bad
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     BarelyEagle (barelyeagle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 22:56:37 JST BarelyEagle

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     • Bread up, Bro
     @sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild 1) Japan raising rates had more of a technical impact on markets due to disruption of the carry trade than any narrative around AI. Institutions aren’t panic selling here…
     
     2) This isn’t being developed in a vacuum from scratch.
     
     2a) They have a robust system for corporate espionage.
     
     3) Application specific integrated circuits didn’t have particularly huge research costs, they might be doing something similar here.
     
     4) They’re going for “good enough“ with this whole system, which is why it works better. Pareto principle and all that.
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     BarelyEagle (barelyeagle@poa.st)'s status on Thursday, 30-Jan-2025 22:56:37 JST BarelyEagle

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     • BarelyEagle
     @sickburnbro @TrevorGoodchild Meant to drop this above:
     
     nvidia.com/en-us/project-digits/