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   mametschko (mametsuko@mk.absturztau.be)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 19:50:06 JST mametschko

   it's difficult to find a good browser :akko_aaa:

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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 19:50:04 JST 翠星石

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     @mametsuko Emacs Web Wowser is good?
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 19:52:08 JST 翠星石

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     @thatbrickster @mametsuko Vivaldi is proprietary malware with a proprietary GUI full of malware; https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-browser-open-source/
     
     Proprietary malware cannot be anything but the worst.
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 19:52:10 JST Bricky

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     @mametsuko The least bad browser is Vivaldi IMO. They have the original Opera ethos, even though it's based on Chromium. Until Firefox is under the stewardship of an entity known not to act under bad faith, I cannot recommend it.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 20:09:26 JST 翠星石

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     @thatbrickster @mametsuko >doesn't need a dozen insignificant forks to remove thousands of telemetry probes firefox has
     Yes, firefox is proprietary, but you use a significant free fork like GNU icecat or Tor Browser or Abrowser that doesn't have spyware.
     
     Meanwhile, Vivaldi is spyware and there's nothing you can do about it; https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/vivaldi
     
     I don't get the obsession with having a mail client built in so that some proprietary master can spy on your emails too - you just install Icedove or Evolution or claws-mail or Emacs if you want a mail client.
     
     Emacs has a web browser and mail client already built-in.
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 20:09:27 JST Bricky

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     @Suiseiseki oh wow the ui is proprietary and doesn't need a dozen insignificant forks to remove thousands of telemetry probes firefox has
     
     having a mail client built in while not removing core features and adding antifeatures nobody asked for like a shopping sidebar and privacy-preserving attribution
     
     w o w
     
     @mametsuko
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 20:33:18 JST Bricky

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     @Suiseiseki Your source doesn't prove anything to me.
     
     About network requests, they have previously explained what each are for.
     https://vivaldi.com/blog/decoding-network-activity-in-vivaldi/
     
     About CloudFlare, your source suggests it applies to their webpages and can be mitigated by not using them as a homepage.
     
     About unique ID, this has been explained as the least intrusive way to count installs and active users. I believe it's for their partnership business model and I accept this given I use their value-added services at no cost (gratis).
     
     I will not enshitify my experience for the sake of ideology.
     
     @mametsuko
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 20:34:19 JST 翠星石

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     @thatbrickster @sally @mametsuko >I use Vivaldi because the promise of a mail client was fulfilled
     "I promise that the malware will also have a malware mail client".
     
     >hasn't done anything to disrespect me as a user
     It does the ultimate disrespect of not respecting your freedom; https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.en.html#four-freedoms
     
     >but I cannot control that.
     Yes, you do not control the software.
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 20:34:20 JST Bricky

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     @sally My stance is to use what works best for you. I had been using Firefox since 2007 up until 2023, where I felt fucked over by Mozilla as both a user and a person. As I've posted before, I want to see Firefox live on under new stewardship before the funding dries up.
     
     I use Vivaldi because the promise of a mail client was fulfilled, just like Opera had. Jon von Tetzchner, in the years I've known of him, hasn't done anything to disrespect me as a user. A shame it's Chromium but I cannot control that.
     
     @Suiseiseki @mametsuko
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 20:34:22 JST Bricky

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     @sally It relies on Chromium's implementation. I believe it also follows system proxy settings.
     https://www.chromium.org/developers/design-documents/network-stack/socks-proxy/
     
     Since the warnings about using Chromium with Tor, I haven't seen anything to suggest it's safer than Firefox. In case anyone here tries it.
     
     @Suiseiseki @mametsuko
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 20:34:22 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @thatbrickster @Suiseiseki @mametsuko
     
     Cringe and retarded. Imagine shilling a browser that makes it as inconvenient as possible to use an HTTP or SOCKS proxy. At least Firefox has a toggle on settings for that, and you don't need to setup a system-wide proxy or use dogshit proprietary extensions to do it.
     
     
     > Tor
     
     
     People is so used to use Tor wrong (with exit nodes) that they assume those that do are accessing clearnet, also there's the Tor Browser for that already anyway.
     
     
     By the way, Firefox allows setting up profiles on about:profiles, which is what I do when I want to access I2P.
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     𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙 (sally@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 20:34:23 JST 𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙𝅙

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     @thatbrickster @Suiseiseki @mametsuko
     
     Does Vivaldi support SOCKS5 proxying?
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Wednesday, 22-Jan-2025 20:34:25 JST 翠星石

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     @thatbrickster @mametsuko >Your source doesn't prove anything to me.
     It clearly proves the unsolicited requests with a screenshot of them.
     
     >they have previously explained what each are for.
     Amazing, they actually explain part of their spying, but even then, the amount of unsolicited requests by software that is not spyware is 0.
     
     >your source suggests it applies to their webpages and can be mitigated by not using them as a homepage.
     It mentions a mitigation about being blocked by cloudflare, rather than a mitigation to cloudflare.
     
     >unique ID, this has been explained as the least intrusive way to count installs and active users.
     It is totally unacceptable to count installs and active users without an explicit opt-in - anything else is spyware.
     
     >it's for their partnership business model
     Just because something is a business model doesn't mean it's acceptable, especially when that business model is spying.
     
     >I use their value-added services at no cost
     Those are rather freedom-subtracted disservices.
     
     >I will not enshitify my experience for the sake of ideology.
     The only software that undergoes "enshittification" is proprietary software, but you use proprietary malware instead of free software?
     
     If avoiding running malware on your computer is an ideology, then I gladly enjoy such ideology.
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     翠星石 (suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com)'s status on Thursday, 23-Jan-2025 17:21:59 JST 翠星石

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     @thatbrickster @sally >it means nothing if it offers an experience that is objectively inferior.
     Yes, sometimes free software isn't functionally as good, but it at least respects the users freedom.
     
     If you teach people to only care about functionality, what do you think happens every time they're offered convenient looking proprietary malware?
     
     >See Loops vs. TikTok for what I mean.
     Both are garbage nobody should use, considering that Loops is proprietary software too.
     
     >most people aren't technical
     If you aren't technical, you shouldn't be using a technical machine like a computer.
     
     It's like saying that you want to use a calculator, but the multiplication function is too technical and you won't even try using it.
     
     >appreciate good UX
     A good user experience has the prerequisite of at least respecting the users freedom.
     
     I quite like how free software gives me the freedom to choose how I would like to use it, rather than only permitting certain ways to use it.
     
     Even if a proprietary master constantly tells the used that their experience is the best, that doesn't make it the truth.
     
     >you are fighting a losing battle.
     The battle is very tough, but we're certainly not losing, considering that our weapons of war are nothing less than 100% free software without any proprietary corrosion.
     
     >when Free Software isn't the only reason to use something that doesn't meet every other requirement someone may have.
     Not being enslaved by software is enough reason to use software that respects your freedom alone, even if it lacks in functional aspects (which I see less and less of).
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Thursday, 23-Jan-2025 17:22:00 JST Bricky

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     @Suiseiseki Free Software is great but it means nothing if it offers an experience that is objectively inferior. See Loops vs. TikTok for what I mean. TikTok is proven to abuse the user (without the need of sweeping generalisations from external validation) but has a much better onboarding experience than Loops.
     
     Until freetards understand that most people aren't technical, and appreciate good UX, you are fighting a losing battle. Come back to me when Free Software isn't the only reason to use something that doesn't meet every other requirement someone may have.
     
     @sally
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     Alexandre Oliva (moving to @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br) (lxo@gnusocial.jp)'s status on Monday, 27-Jan-2025 08:20:58 JST Alexandre Oliva (moving to @lxo@snac.lx.oliva.nom.br)

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     who's teaching users that the visible UX is more important than what gets done to them behind the scenes?
     
     would you rather vote for a candidate that says the right words, without any intent to carrying them out, or for a candidate that does the right things?
     
     why should select of software be held to lower superficial standards?
     
     the solution to both is education, not further dumbing down.
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     Bricky (thatbrickster@shitposter.world)'s status on Wednesday, 29-Jan-2025 23:40:18 JST Bricky

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     @lxo I didn't see this in my notifications. Apologies for that, I'm aware you're moving to a new account.
     
     Most people who use tech for work purposes expect a good UX. It should not be mutually exclusive from inner workings that do not disrespect the user or harms their freedom, but I don't live in a world of ideals.
     
     From my experience, there's a window of computer users who would be open to learning about how their tech works. I am within said window and am aware, and excitable, when tech that meets said ideal comes about. I don't expect people to care about the same things I do and that's fine by me. If they want to, they will when it suits them (even if that means being burned by software that screws them over).
     
     Nobody here advocates dumbing down, but keeping things overcomplicated or overengineered is one way of making it not worthwhile. Nobody wants to use tools that get in their way.